[Discussion] What's the consensus on whether one bottle of Pisabental will be enough.

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I know the received wisdom is two bottles is 'safe' - but I actually already have one bottle (that I've kept in the fridge for the last year) and I wanted to know what you guys thought about whether 1 would do the job.
For reference I'm about 91kg, pretty healthy + strong, male, 50s - but can get access to virtually unlimited ambien + klonopin and, obviously, booze.
Do you think a ambien/rivotril/booze/pisabental cocktail would work?

I know two is better but it seems that getting N is pretty difficult now especially if you live in Europe.

Any thoughts, people?
 
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Not sure of the answer, but I am wondering if you could perhaps combine SN + N.
The N should ensure that you'll fall asleep fairly quickly, so you should hopefully avoid any minor unpleasant effects from SN.

However, I'm not qualified to know whether that approach would be viable.....
 
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This is an extract of an email from A: Regularly the people asks for 2 bottles, this is the best recommendation for a person who weights between 60 kilos to 80 kilos (132 to 176 pound weight).

Based on what A said, you would need 3 bottles (since you are 91kg). So 2 bottles won't do the job, much less 1.
 
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I think 2 bottles is generally considered more than enough for most people, unless you were a *very* large person.

I think A might be "choosing his wording" to a degree, to generate some additional income....
 
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I think 2 bottles is generally considered more than enough for most people, unless you were a *very* large person.

I think A might be "choosing his wording" to a degree, to generate some additional income....
Perhaps. I'm not saying I believe OP needs 3 bottles nor am I saying I believe OP doesn't; hence, I worded twice that all my statements in the post are based on A. Of course I agree with you that as a seller, it is in his best interest to generate additional income.

So now the question would be about discerning the sincerity and reliability of A.
 
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I know the received wisdom is two bottles is 'safe' - but I actually already have one bottle (that I've kept in the fridge for the last year) and I wanted to know what you guys thought about whether 1 would do the job.
For reference I'm about 91kg, pretty healthy + strong, male, 50s - but can get access to virtually unlimited ambien + klonopin and, obviously, booze.
Do you think a ambien/rivotril/booze/pisabental cocktail would work?

I know two is better but it seems that getting N is pretty difficult now especially if you live in Europe.

Any thoughts, people?
philip nitscke says 1 bottle is enough .
 
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One bottle is very often enough from what I have read and researched. Two bottles seems to be to be safe more than anything. The general consensus is that 6 grams is more than enough to be lethal. There is one study in particular that states not one person woke up after ingesting 6 grams.

Exit says that outright failures with one bottle are almost always due to medical intervention.
 
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I read that an elderly lady drank one bottle and survived and she said it was hell. Unless you have some morphine to add to it or some serious alcohol, I’d be careful about just drinking one bottle peace/hugs
 
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One bottle is very often enough from what I have read and researched. Two bottles seems to be to be safe more than anything. The general consensus is that 6 grams is more than enough to be lethal. There is one study in particular that states not one person woke up after ingesting 6 grams.

Exit says that outright failures with one bottle are almost always due to medical intervention.
i could cope drinking 1 bottle but 2. is too much .
i was thinking i could have a tew gulps of oramorph after i drink the bottle of N .sure i read it acts like alcohol not sure though ,
 
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@Nem Could you please post a link to that article? Not doubting you or anything I promise. I would love to read it. I have read hundreds of articles on N from many resources. Have never seen a singlecase report of an failure that was not assisted by medical professionals or quick vomiting. And I have never read a single report of any discomfort either. Being able to read a case report or something challenging all the others would be quite valuable to me.
Or PM it to me if you want, either way thank you.
 
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@Nem Could you please post a link to that article? Not doubting you or anything I promise. I would love to read it. I have read hundreds of articles on N from many resources. Have never seen a singlecase report of an failure that was not assisted by medical professionals or quick vomiting. And I have never read a single report of any discomfort either. Being able to read a case report or something challenging all the others would be quite valuable to me.
Or PM it to me if you want, either way thank you.
Do you know if oramorph acts like alcohol and potentiates the N after you drink it .im sure i read that some where ,t would maybe hlp with the taste too after the N
 
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I do not remember specifically but I do re read a lot of the reports and Exits information so will try to keep an eye out for your answer. As for me I have my favorite whiskey in casket strength to chase it all down for me.
 
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I think 2 bottles is generally considered more than enough for most people, unless you were a *very* large person.

I think A might be "choosing his wording" to a degree, to generate some additional income....
That's possible but I would rather be safe and trust A on this.
 
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The title says Pisabental, everyone (including OP) is talking about N (Nembutal) in their posts though. So which one are we talking about?
I've googled and I cannot find the answer: what is the concentration of Pisabental? It kinda depends on that how much you need.
For Nembutal the concentration is 50 mg/ml, which is very low for a vet euthanasia solution. The rule of thumb for Nembutal seems to be to take 1 bottle for up to 50 kg, 2 for up to 100 kg.
Pisabental, depending on the concentration, could be a different story (Euthasol for example has 400 mg/ml). If you have a bottle, check what it says on the label.
 
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I think this discussion is based on the 100ml bottles that A supplies, that contain around 6.5g of N.
 
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Nembutal contains 50 mg/ ml pentobarbital, which is the active ingredient.
Nembutal is nothing but the name given to this particular concentration of pentobarbital, so the bottles from A don't contain 'N', they contain pentobarbital at 50 mg/ml concentration.
Pisabental is a different name for a pentobarbital solution of potentially different concentration, which is what OP is asking about in the title.
There are many different pentobarbital solutions available at different concentrations, so it would be really important to distinguish here what OP is asking about before giving advice.
 
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To the best of my knowledge ( but happy to stand corrected if need be ) :
I believe the discussion context of "received wisdom is two bottles is 'safe'", in the OP's question is a direct reference to the "N" that "A" supplies. As you rightly point out, we may be using terms loosely and inaccurately, but those are the general terms in use on this forum.... So I think when people say "N", they just mean pentobarbital. And usually when "bottles" are discussed, they are referring to the pisabental that A supplies....
But yes, it's always a good idea to double check, in case someone is using a different brand, etc.
For this particular thread, the OP stated the brand, so that's fine.

But it's valuable to be aware of these distinctions and the possibility for confusion, so thanks...
 
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They are both Nembutal. And it it's usually 60mg per ml. Or 6 grams per 100ml bottle.
 
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Interesting, so N from A is actually not Nembutal but Pisabental? I didn't know, I was thinking of ordering, I didn't know he had other brands than N, Nembutal... Does he have Euthasol as well?

According to online sources as well as all the images in Google search
NEMBUTAL Sodium Solution (pentobarbital sodium injection) is a sterile solution for intravenous or intramuscular injection. Each mL contains pentobarbital sodium 50 mg, in a vehicle of propylene glycol, 40%, alcohol, 10% and water for injection, to volume. (source: https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/fda/fdaDrugXsl.cfm?setid=5c380ab0-4386-48b6-80ab-ca594b23bc74&type=display).

So A actually sells P and P has a different concentration than N then? That's kinda important information.
 
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@Nem Could you please post a link to that article? Not doubting you or anything I promise. I would love to read it. I have read hundreds of articles on N from many resources. Have never seen a singlecase report of an failure that was not assisted by medical professionals or quick vomiting. And I have never read a single report of any discomfort either. Being able to read a case report or something challenging all the others would be quite valuable to me.
Or PM it to me if you want, either way thank you.
It’s on the threads exit international, a lady said one bottle and she survived and it wasn’t great either, I’d be careful about that
Peace/hugs
 
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Copy pasted from EI. It is my understanding from A that this is what I will be receiving.

The preferred form of veterinary Nembutal used to obtain a peaceful reliable death is the sterile solution of pentobarbital
sodium marketed as an anaesthetic agent for animals. The solution is designed to be administered intravenously in animals
to provide anaesthesia for surgery and needs to be sterile so that infection will not compromise the animal’s recovery. This
is a clear liquid with a concentration of 60 mg/ml of sodium pentobarbital in alkaline buffered solution with 10% methyl alcohol and ethylene glycol. The usual packaging is a glass 100ml bottle (clear or tinted glass), sealed with a rubber stopper
and metal seal.
 
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Interesting, so N from A is actually not Nembutal but Pisabental? I didn't know, I was thinking of ordering, I didn't know he had other brands than N, Nembutal... Does he have Euthasol as well?

According to online sources as well as all the images in Google search
NEMBUTAL Sodium Solution (pentobarbital sodium injection) is a sterile solution for intravenous or intramuscular injection. Each mL contains pentobarbital sodium 50 mg, in a vehicle of propylene glycol, 40%, alcohol, 10% and water for injection, to volume. (source: https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/fda/fdaDrugXsl.cfm?setid=5c380ab0-4386-48b6-80ab-ca594b23bc74&type=display).

So A actually sells P and P has a different concentration than N then? That's kinda important information.
I think over time, Nembutal has become mostly synonymous with pentobarbital, although in some contexts it may also still be used as a brand name, so it's a bit hazy....
But I think the most common usage is the "loose" one (whereas in scientific circles they would use terms more accurately).

I believe that A only supplies Pisabental.
 
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Wow, you just blew my mind @jgm63. I work with animals and as such we have pentobarbital around for emergencies, due to that I know the brands and concentrations rather well (at least for the ones I use, the 60mg/ml solution has a name unique to my county and not Pisabental) and I always assumed if I ordered N I would receive Nembutal at the standard concentration of 50 mg/ml!
Thank you for letting me know! <3
 
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I know the received wisdom is two bottles is 'safe' - but I actually already have one bottle (that I've kept in the fridge for the last year) and I wanted to know what you guys thought about whether 1 would do the job.
For reference I'm about 91kg, pretty healthy + strong, male, 50s - but can get access to virtually unlimited ambien + klonopin and, obviously, booze.
Do you think a ambien/rivotril/booze/pisabental cocktail would work?

I know two is better but it seems that getting N is pretty difficult now especially if you live in Europe.

Any thoughts, people?
My thoughts are, why risk it? Why risk surviving? Use 2 bottles.
 
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My thoughts are, why risk it? Why risk surviving? Use 2 bottles.
As I said in the OP, the reason is I actually HAVE a bottle already and from what I've read on here, getting more in Europe is unlikely at the moment. If things change and A starts reliable deliveries to UK then of course I'll buy more.
The problem is that I don't know if this is going to happen and seemingly neither does anyone else.

I've started threads about actually going to Mexico/Peru to buy direct from pet clinics but from the feedback I've got and my own reading, it seems that avenue is already closing, if not already closed.

So - there's your reason. On the assumption that getting more N is impossible, one bottle mixed with benzos and booze might do it. Or, at least, that's what I think and I wanted to ask if anyone knew better.

BTW thank you everyone for the responses thus far. It seems there's no real certainty on this - A says 2, PPP guy says 1.
 
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For what it’s worth and with all things in your situation considered. I think what you have now plus adding other CNS depressants will do it. Yes the 2 bottle rule has been drilled over and over again for some time now, but I have yet to see any real proof of someone surviving 1 bottle, unless they were found etc. Ultimately that’s a decision you have to make though.
 
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For what it’s worth and with all things in your situation considered. I think what you have now plus adding other CNS depressants will do it. Yes the 2 bottle rule has been drilled over and over again for some time now, but I have yet to see any real proof of someone surviving 1 bottle, unless they were found etc. Ultimately that’s a decision you have to make though.
Exit International has a recount of an old woman surviving 1 bottle of N. Can't really remember how old was she, but she was over 80. I was extremely shocked when I read it.
 
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As I said in the OP, the reason is I actually HAVE a bottle already and from what I've read on here, getting more in Europe is unlikely at the moment. If things change and A starts reliable deliveries to UK then of course I'll buy more.
The problem is that I don't know if this is going to happen and seemingly neither does anyone else.

I've started threads about actually going to Mexico/Peru to buy direct from pet clinics but from the feedback I've got and my own reading, it seems that avenue is already closing, if not already closed.

So - there's your reason. On the assumption that getting more N is impossible, one bottle mixed with benzos and booze might do it. Or, at least, that's what I think and I wanted to ask if anyone knew better.

BTW thank you everyone for the responses thus far. It seems there's no real certainty on this - A says 2, PPP guy says 1.
I get your point. But you asked for "any thoughts" right? Nitschke claims "nobody has survived one bottle". I am sure he wouldn't know because he hasn't been there every time a person used only one. The clinics like Dignitas use 9 to 15 grams of it, which would be about 2 bottles. Others are claiming in recent months getting orders delivered. Doesn't mean its true, but you can read some posts on here saying that. As far as adding the other drugs, it seems you would just risk increasing probability of vomiting or interactions that would cause failure. Nembutal is extremely effective. It puts to sleep in a few minutes, then stops breathing and heart while asleep. But the PPH does talk about drinking some liquor after the Nembutal to "potentiate", or increase effectiveness. So personally, I would just drink a shot or two of liquor after it. One bottle probably will work, but if it doesn't, oh shit. That might be some hell, and then unable to finish yourself off because of the effects. Hope it works for you.
 
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From the Nov 2019 Pph " In the vast majority of cases, one bottle (100ml @60mg/ml) of veterinary Nembutal will always be satisfactry and lead to a peaceful death, usually in 1-2 hours. However, there is a small group (est. at <1%) who may exhibit a prolonged comatose phase before death (sometimes up to 24h). Outright 'failures' remain extremely rare. Indeed, all of the reported failures investigated by Exit were associated with early discovery and subsequent medical intervention." ....."In some of the analyzed cases, the long comatose phase was associated with the prolonged use of anti-psychotic medication or chronic heavy alcohol use, prior to taking the barbiturate. It is presumes the induction of the liver enzymes by these drugs causes increased degradation of the N, lowering concentration in the brain. In these situations, increasing the quantity of drug taken (eg. to 2 bottles, 12gm) may not necessarily hasten the death."

I don't care to argue with anyone here, not trying to prove any points just providing the info. I think taking 1 bottle is safe in most cases, but we already knew that, and can't guarantee the outcome 100%, but close to it. There's a drug called Dilantin they suggest which will potentiate the effects of N. I will PM you the screenshot.