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Buffy5120

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I really don't understand your point. The ECHR isn't just a random court. It's the largest European legal body, compare it to the Supreme Court in the US. It's the highest Court in Europe and the members of the European Council, that's basically all of Europe with 47 member states, have to follow through. They have the final say. Such court rulings are the framework organizations like Exit Switzerland and Dignitas operate under. They legitimize the existence of assisted suicide in countries such as Switzerland, Belgium and Netherlands. Do you think it's a coincidence they're all located in Europe? The legal trend has been in favor of assisted suicide for the last few years, public opinion also shows overwhelming support and it's generally growing. Germany, a large country, just recently legalized assisted suicide with very similar arguments the ECHR used.
In Switzerland we constantly have the debate to make assisted suicide more accessible towards people that suffer from mental illness regardless of age. The efforts so far didn't result in any success but the overton window is moving. Those are clear signs.

Here is a global study about suicide and assisted suicide, involving examination of data for 21 countries, specific examples of great public support despite the lack of assisted suicide are Denmark and the UK:
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The same trend is happening in the US, look at this survey from Gallup for example. 52% think doctor-assisted suicide is morally acceptable. The poll is from 2018.
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I understand your concern and it probably makes sense that you think the majority of people would oppose us if you're confronted by organizations like fixthe26. But keep in mind, those people are a tiny but extremely loud minority. They do not represent the majority of society and these groups argue from an emotional point of view - we can easily win this debate with logical and rational arguments. I really think your pessimism is misplaced here. The LGBT community, which I'm a part of, didn't win social and legal support over night. This was a process that took centuries. 20 years ago it was almost impossible to think same sex marriage would be legalized in so many modern countries the way it is right now. Just because we're not winning this race over night, doesn't mean there isn't slow but steady change happening. We just have to keep fighting.
This is beautiful but i dont think i can wait another 40 years for them to finally realize all chronic illnesses that have no cure and are unending should be granted euthanasia. America is all about money. They do not care about the quality of any humans life. You can be brain dead and they will keep you alive for years just like this bullshit fix26 believes and honestly no point arguing with them they are ignorant its like arguing with a wall at the end of the day they will never understand but what they will one day understand is that they are not immune to illness and sickness. They can very much be like us and in our shoes if not today, then will definitely be when they get older..my grandfather has alzhimers and wants to die they dont even understand the gruesome unending lengths we go through dealing with all our suffering, and yes theres many people even in their 20s whos dealing with severe memory loss as well. Illness doesn’t discriminate based on age....what idiots they are...
 
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Burzolog

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Damn, I'm at my wit's end... I want to speak my mind, but I also don't want to give them any ammunition to fire back at the place I care about.
I don't know what to do.
 
ThisIsFine

ThisIsFine

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Damn, I'm at my wit's end... I want to speak my mind, but I also don't want to give them any ammunition to fire back at the place I care about.
I don't know what to do.
They will continue to fire and attack all they want. If you point it out, all they will say is we attacked first when WE took their loved ones lives...I don't care if they never change their minds. They will learn they won't be met with silence, because they will start taking that as they are in the right so we can't say anything back.
 
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There should be discussions out there. To many people are afraid to speak candidly about this because to most people we have an opinion that is simply untenable to them. I think twitter could even be the right place to have those discussions. The logic that suicide cannot be a logical choice is laughable but most people are not prepared to have a frank discussion.

All that said I do not see the value in putting this forums name in a public space to have those discussions. This forum is for information and support. I've met such wonderful people here who have been there to listen and not judge when nobody else would.

Putting this site in the spotlight puts it in danger and I fail to see how that's better than just creating a random twitter account not linked to SS to explore discussions that I truly believe should have a spotlight. I'm not sure why those things need to be linked though.
 
Niftypoint124

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Most of it hasn't been back and forth between them, though.
The majority of the tweets on this site's account are QTs of F26 or pro-life/SS-critical statements from folks who seem to be their supporters - and if that's how you want to spend a couple hours a day, then please do. I stand by my original comment re: doing more harm than good when acting as a representative of y/our cause.
 
braketimez

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I really don't understand your point. The ECHR isn't just a random court. It's the largest European legal body, compare it to the Supreme Court in the US. It's the highest Court in Europe and the members of the European Council, that's basically all of Europe with 47 member states, have to follow through. They have the final say. Such court rulings are the framework organizations like Exit Switzerland and Dignitas operate under. They legitimize the existence of assisted suicide in countries such as Switzerland, Belgium and Netherlands. Do you think it's a coincidence they're all located in Europe? The legal trend has been in favor of assisted suicide for the last few years, public opinion also shows overwhelming support and it's generally growing. Germany, a large country, just recently legalized assisted suicide with very similar arguments the ECHR used.
In Switzerland we constantly have the debate to make assisted suicide more accessible towards people that suffer from mental illness regardless of age. The efforts so far didn't result in any success but the overton window is moving. Those are clear signs.

Here is a global study about suicide and assisted suicide, involving examination of data for 21 countries, specific examples of great public support despite the lack of assisted suicide are Denmark and the UK:
View attachment 51705

The same trend is happening in the US, look at this survey from Gallup for example. 52% think doctor-assisted suicide is morally acceptable. The poll is from 2018.
View attachment 51702

I understand your concern and it probably makes sense that you think the majority of people would oppose us if you're confronted by organizations like fixthe26. But keep in mind, those people are a tiny but extremely loud minority. They do not represent the majority of society and these groups argue from an emotional point of view - we can easily win this debate with logical and rational arguments. I really think your pessimism is misplaced here. The LGBT community, which I'm a part of, didn't win social and legal support over night. This was a process that took centuries. 20 years ago it was almost impossible to think same sex marriage would be legalized in so many modern countries the way it is right now. Just because we're not winning this race over night, doesn't mean there isn't slow but steady change happening. We just have to keep fighting.
I will try responding to this again, because you did not reply to my last reply.

1.To begin, the sample sizes for the American surveys are INCREDIBLY small. A few thousand or even tens of thousands of people would not speak for the majority. Also, small polls like that are unreliable. For example, people who are apt to responding may be passionate about their viewpoints, and want their rare opinion to be heard. So they vote. Other people who DON'T agree, may not be apt to voting since it's not something they find important. It works both ways.

Again, you’re committing one of those sweeping generalization fallacies and creating blanket statements by citing the summary of a poll.

2. Europe is not the world. Unless you want to take some sort of odd ethnocentric perspective on, of course.

From a global perspective, there is no evidence the majority of courts/people who have a true say in legislation are on our side.
IN fact, the prominent religions of the world alone and their inherent belief in the sanctity of life is a great starting point to deduce just how many people and "courts" are not on our side.


3. The LGBT example is a great one to provide evidence things can change over time.

However, I do believe the stigma around death, deeply rooted beliefs about the sanctity of life, and the slippery slope of nihilism people fear by allowing assisted suicide all make this an incredibly complex matter, one that is different in nature from other social issues, such as same sex marriage. The stigma around homosexuality had/has to do with religious beliefs, yet one that does not compromise one's views on the value of life (though it may compromise their views on the quality or purity of life, if they believe homosexuality is impure). Also, there are rarely stories of entire families becoming suicidal just because a loved one gets married to the same sex. In fact, I haven't read of any. It' sa ridiculous notion. But it DOES happen when a suicide takes place.

There are TONS of stories and documentation about the trauma that suicide brings to others. This is yet another reason comparing this social issue to the LGBT movement is illogical.

People are up against us because they fear death, they fear compromising the entire value of life, and they fear being traumatized. These are much more powerful emotional forces than just "well, it's wrong in God's eyes to get married to the same sex".

Do you see how the two are much different from each other? Do you see how the latter will be a much longer race, and it is a bit irrational to propose the "courts are on our side"?
 
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RainAndSadness

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@braketimez I didn't respond to you because you made several claims without providing evidence for them. I'm not here to entertain empty claims that can't be backed up by any social science. For example, you say the public opinion doesn't support us, yet poll after poll shows that they do. In the US, in Europe, in most of the developed world. Obviously, countries that still have a strong religious influence aren't gonna be ready for right to die debates in the next few centuries. But that's a no-brainer for me. Also, the support for assisted suicide is higher among young people which indicates cultural shift. This discussion simply doesn't lead anywhere in my opinion.

Another reason is pain in the wrists, writing such lengthy posts is just exhausting for me, especially when I'm talking to people that generally agree with me on right to die issues. We simply have a different approach to this topic and that's okay for me. Sorry to disappoint, take care!
 
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braketimez

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@braketimez I didn't respond to you because you made several claims without providing evidence for them. I'm not here to entertain empty claims that can't be backed up by any social science. For example, you say the public opinion doesn't support us, yet poll after poll shows that they do. In the US, in Europe, in most of the developed world. Obviously, countries that still have a strong religious influence aren't gonna be ready for right to die debates in the next few centuries. But that's a no-brainer for me. Also, the support for assisted suicide is higher among young people which indicates cultural shift. This discussion simply doesn't lead anywhere in my opinion.

Another reason is pain in the wrists, writing such lengthy posts is just exhausting for me, especially when I'm talking to people that generally agree with me on right to die issues. We simply have a different approach to this topic and that's okay for me. Sorry to disappoint, take care!
Which claims are empty?
 
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Lost in a Dream

Lost in a Dream

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also, you’re okay with pain in your wrists with your own long winded posts and responses like the one above, but not with refutations. You are lying, and don’t like to admit when you’re wrong.
It could be the long posts that caused the pain in the wrists to flare up in the first place. Even though I agree with a lot of your posts in this thread, I think it might be a good idea for you to take a break from this thread instead of pretending that you can read minds and making accusations like that. If we tear each other apart like this, then fuckthe26 won't have to shut SS down. We will just be doing their job for them.
 
braketimez

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It could be the long posts that caused the pain in the wrists to flare up in the first place. Even though I agree with a lot of your posts in this thread, I think it might be a good idea for you to take a break from this thread instead of pretending that you can read minds and making accusations like that. If we tear each other apart like this, then fuckthe26 won't have to shut SS down. We will just be doing their job for them.
You're right. I deleted what I said because it was wrong and I was angry.
Sorry to everyone.
 
RainAndSadness

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It could be the long posts that caused the pain in the wrists to flare up in the first place. Even though I agree with a lot of your posts in this thread, I think it might be a good idea for you to take a break from this thread instead of pretending that you can read minds and making accusations like that. If we tear each other apart like this, then fuckthe26 won't have to shut SS down. We will just be doing their job for them.
This and I take long breaks when writing such posts. As a result of that, a draft of mine was deleted just recently so I had to rewrite it again, as explained here. https://sanctionedsuicide.com/threads/im-so-done.53503/#post-993933
I also told staff that my condition, depending on the pain, might affect the pace of my moderation.
Honestly I'm stunned that I even have to justify myself to others when leaving a discussion in this forum. And considering my current situation I'd rather not spend more time on this subject because I really don't see how we ever reach an agreement. When I wrote this post initially, I simply wanted to express that things aren't as hopeless as members in this forum implied. I have no clue why you are so persistent in proving the opposite. If you want to do some research about this, look at the public opinion on the right to die in the UK, in Denmark, in Switzerland, in the US, just to name some examples - they're positive. Anyway, I turned off the PC and this is my last post for the weekend and certainly my last post about any kind of right to die activism, period.
 
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