[Discussion] The selfishness of depressed people or those with other mental health issues having a child is astonishing and selfish

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Akeolodo

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How could you be so evil to bring another human into this over-competitive, crowded and depressing world only for them to grow up and join a hopeless and cold rat race? if you dealt with depression it's most likely due to money, lack of opportunity or genetic issues, so, how could be so evil and selfish to bring another human into the world just to make yourself feel better while setting your child up for failure? If you don't have the means to support a child and lead them to a sustainable decent life then you're scum.
 
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If only abortion was less of hassle. Not necessarily parents with mental illness become a bad parent.

My psychiatrist told me I would make an excellent parent, because I care about the feeling of other beings.

I personally think the worst parents are those who have children and neglect them, that's beyond evil.
 
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If only abortion was less of hassle. Not necessarily parents with mental illness become a bad parent.

My psychiatrist told me I would make an excellent parent because I care about the feeling of other beings.

I personally think the worst parents are those who have children and neglect them, that's beyond evil.
Yea, I understand what you're trying to say, however, from personal experience with my parents being loving and caring it's only one aspect of life, at the end of the day you have to enter the adult world and that's where the problems start. if you grew poor, and your parents don't have the means to support you transitioning into a decent career or businesses through networking then you will just become another figure in the rat race living to survive, worrying about paying bills, spending all your income just to survive and with no job security either. You were literally destined for failure from the second you were born. Your parents might be caring, however, society isn't, it's cold, harsh and couldn't give 2 shits about you.
 
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How could you be so evil to bring another human into this over-competitive, crowded and depressing world only for them to grow up and join a hopeless and cold rat race? if you dealt with depression it's most likely due to money, lack of opportunity or genetic issues, so, how could be so evil and selfish to bring another human into the world just to make yourself feel better while setting your child up for failure? If you don't have the means to support a child and lead them to a sustainable decent life then you're scum, regardless of whether you're aware or not.
They were horny and humped one night and BANG..Here comes the baby..They didn't do it to spite YOU..They weren't thinking about you when they did it.I do think people should be responsible,but things happen.Wear a condom,pull out and jerk it.Dont even do it if you cant support it..But hey,some people have gone on to turn their lives around and become great people over making and raising babies.You and I are on a suicide forum..Maybe we'll both be dead soon.Maybe the baby will be some kind of savior..Or at least replace us.
 
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How could you be so evil to bring another human into this over-competitive, crowded and depressing world only for them to grow up and join a hopeless and cold rat race? if you dealt with depression it's most likely due to money, lack of opportunity or genetic issues, so, how could be so evil and selfish to bring another human into the world just to make yourself feel better while setting your child up for failure? If you don't have the means to support a child and lead them to a sustainable decent life then you're scum, regardless of whether you're aware or not.
Personally, I’m not depressed because of any of the reasons you listed. I don’t think it’s as black and white as you suggest. I don’t think mental illness completely diminishes someone’s ability to be a good parent. There are plenty of non-depressed, high functioning people who have children and then proceed to neglect or abuse them. Also, some people have the makings of a “sustainable decent life” and their children still end up depressed and/or generally dysfunctional (AKA me). I grew up with all the makings of a success story and still ended up being sexually and physically abused as a child and as a result, extremely fucked up. That wasn’t really the fault of my parents. They had more than enough money, opportunities, and “good” genetics to offer me. Yet, here I am.
 
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Yea, I understand what you're trying to say, however, from personal experience with my parents loving and caring is only one aspect of it, at the end the day you have to enter the adult world and that's when the problems start if you grew poor, your parents don't have the means to support you transitioning into a decent career or businesses through networking then you will just become another figure in the rat race living to survive, worrying about paying bills, spending all your income just to survive and with no job security either, you're are literally destined to become depressed because your parents might be caring, however, society isn't it cold and hash and could give 2 shits about you.
The odds of bringing a child in the world and knowing that they'll will not suffer are minimal. I understand that.

Also, before condoms and especially the pill, many children were born without planning, since humans enjoy sex you had a tons of children being born due to the lack of contraception.

Modern society put a lot of thought into bringing children to the world. Thus, we have less children born.
 
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Personally, I’m not depressed because of any of the reasons you listed. I don’t think it’s as black and white as you suggest. I don’t think mental illness completely diminishes someone’s ability to be a good parent. There are plenty of non-depressed, high functioning people who have children and then proceed to neglect or abuse them. Also, some people have the makings of a “sustainable decent life” and their children still end up depressed and/or generally dysfunctional (AKA me). I grew up with all the makings of a success story and still ended up being sexually and physically abused as a child and as a result, extremely fucked up. That wasn’t really the fault of my parents. They had more than enough money, opportunities, and “good” genetics to offer me. Yet, here I am.
I'm just really talking about my personal experience.
 
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Personally, I’m not depressed because of any of the reasons you listed. I don’t think it’s as black and white as you suggest. I don’t think mental illness completely diminishes someone’s ability to be a good parent. There are plenty of non-depressed, high functioning people who have children and then proceed to neglect or abuse them. Also, some people have the makings of a “sustainable decent life” and their children still end up depressed and/or generally dysfunctional (AKA me). I grew up with all the makings of a success story and still ended up being sexually and physically abused as a child and as a result, extremely fucked up. That wasn’t really the fault of my parents. They had more than enough money, opportunities, and “good” genetics to offer me. Yet, here I am.
Press charges against the abuser!
 
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How could you be so evil to bring another human into this over-competitive, crowded and depressing world only for them to grow up and join a hopeless and cold rat race? if you dealt with depression it's most likely due to money, lack of opportunity or genetic issues, so, how could be so evil and selfish to bring another human into the world just to make yourself feel better while setting your child up for failure? If you don't have the means to support a child and lead them to a sustainable decent life then you're scum, regardless of whether you're aware or not.
I do think having children should be a privilege, not a basic right. Just take out sex cells from a person, freeze the cells and then sterilize that person. Children should then be created via IVF after it has been found that the parents are fit to raise a child.
 
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The odds of bringing a child in the world and knowing that they'll will not suffer are minimal. I understand that.

Also, before condoms and especially the pill, many children were born without planning, since humans enjoy sex you had a tons of children being born due to the lack of contraception.

Modern society put a lot of thought into bringing children to the world. Thus, we have less children born.
I don't know how old you are but I'm pretty sure condoms and abortion exited in 1998 Netherlands, also even if condoms didn't exit in said time or country you can't tell they weren't aware having sex causes conception. at the end day, they're selfish for either not pulling out or using other methods just to satisfy their personal desires knowing full consciously or unconsciously that their child won't have decent opportunities in life.
 
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Most people I know have child only for selfish reasons, mental issues or not. They tend to not think about it at all, though, and peer pressure that kids lead to "more fulfillment" is a thing, too. Desperate people who aren't used to self-reflection might just try it, hoping that what everyone says is true, and sometimes it even works, at the cost of prolonging suffering into the next generation.

It was back in my school years when I realized that if my kid would be at least halfway similar to me, they would appreciate being killed early without hesitation. So, it was "no kids until I figure out life", and it slowly became "no kids" as I tried and failed to improve my own conditions. Even if I were to fully recover, find a romantic partner and wish for family with kids once more, I'd adopt so they don't have my genes and no new soul is grabbed from the void.
 
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In freedumb loving America, (Today, not fifty years ago) it’s a huge battle for a woman who has agency, means and knowledge to get sterilized. Doctors put more emphasis on some potential future man wanting children, than the real women standing in front of them demanding the procedure. I started asking to be sterilized in my early 20’s and kept on asking until almost fourty. And even then, I had to get a waver from my insurance to get the procedure done at a non-catholic hospital, because that’s not done there. I live in a city of almost a million people, not out in the boondocks. If birth control was 100 percent foolproof from ages 14 - 50, half of the children born today would not be unplanned.

Image being a woman who is uninformed, uninsured and unsure of her rights. Hell, birth control is still under attack across the country through legislative and judicial attacks. A pharmacist can choose not give you pills because his religious rights are being violated by doing so. Now multiply that by 1000 for women in Guadamala, Iraq or the Philippines.

A man in his early or mid 20’s can have a simple outpatient procedure, under local anesthetic in doctors offices or family planning clinics. Nobody puts some future spouse’s needs above his. And nobody yells in his face that he’s a murder as he goes into a clinic. But for some reason it’s imperative to most men that they sling their sperm around and barely give two shits about the ensuing people that created. How many dead-beat dads and weekend-only fathers are there in the world? How many men endlessly bitch about the paltry sums of child support they have to pay?

It would be lovely if at puberty, everyone had their reproductive materials cryogenically frozen, then got sterilized and had to get a parenting license later in life. But can any of us trust the society most of us feel is crushing us, to make fair, non-discriminatory decisions about who gets to reproduce? It smacks of eugenics and is against everything people who believe in bodily autonomy believe in.

Add to that religion, hormones, family, social pressure, babies as relationship bandaids or relationship traps, babies as some sort of adulthood participation trophy.... it’s a giant nope all around.

But yes, way too many people are squirting out crotch fruit that have no business even raising a goldfish. I don’t see anyway to fix that.

As we slide into neofeudalism and end-stage capitalism, there needs to be a huge underclass to sustain the elites. They are going to keep us hungry, sick, poor, stupid and desperate so we don’t rise up and have a global millionaire/ billionaire bbq. Someone needs to still keep the lawn moved, jets fueled, the yacht serviced, the couture sown, and the mansions clean. And of course, the rabble surpressed, and the police and army filled.
 
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Your parents didnt choose to be here either. Maybe they thought they would bring a happy person into the world, those people do exist. And it's not your parents job to support you financially as an adult until you make a viable business or career. Loving parents are not scum. Society is made up of all kinds of people. You are part of society.
 
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Maybe they thought they would bring a happy person into the world, those people do exist
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. If only the thoughts mattered as much, we'd live in a much more different world.

I understand that there are very different circumstances, but I'd appreciate, for instance, if my mother didn't try to push her existential despair onto her child and then proceed with emotional abuse so that she can feel proud about herself. She lacked self-awareness though, and she still does.

As for "not your parents job"... I don't agree with the base premise. I doubt that any sort of fulfillment in life is achievable while being that separated from each other (not necessarily parents), unless you are a sociopath. Sure, nobody should be forced to suffer for my sake, but if I had somebody close in difficult circumstances, I would step up myself to help them a bit. And I also shouldn't have to suffer for my parents' sake, be it abuse from them or their resistance to me CTB.
 
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I am far from being knowledgeable on this, and pull information out of my ass, but my "depressed millennials" generation seems much more self-conscious when it comes to having children. It's a naive idea, but I think we are better in this regard than our parents were. More and more young people focus on simple survival and scrapping enough to get by instead of raising families. Maybe our hardships will create a slightly better environment for those who eventually decide to have children.

Not me though. This big boy and his gf are raising a cat. Antinatalism all the bay, baby.
 
_Minsk

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why does all this nasty stuff like metal illness, bad genes and so on exists in the first place.. i cant remember signing up for any of this but i would prefer blaming the imperfection of this world.. maybe this is bs but thats how i feel about it
 
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why does all this nasty stuff like metal illness, bad genes and so on exists in the first place.. i cant remember signing up for any of this but i would prefer blaming the imperfection of this world.. maybe this is bs but thats how i feel about it
I would think mental illnesses as well as bad genes existed after we evolved from apes. I wonder if mental illnesses existed before we evolved to humans.
 
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Here's an article about mental illnesses and evolution.

It seems to say that mental illnesses are a part of evolution and adaptation.


Another one here ("The Biological Basis of Mental Illness" )

 
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I am far from being knowledgeable on this, and pull information out of my ass, but my "depressed millennials" generation seems much more self-conscious when it comes to having children. It's a naive idea, but I think we are better in this regard than our parents were. More and more young people focus on simple survival and scrapping enough to get by instead of raising families. Maybe our hardships will create a slightly better environment for those who eventually decide to have children.
So true
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I would think mental illnesses as well as bad genes existed after we evolved from apes. I wonder if mental illnesses existed before we evolved to humans.
Dogs are sad too ;)

Rats & rabbits literally die of loneliness ..
 
GoodPersonEffed

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I think that the instinct to procreate is as irrational, able to manipulated, and outside of our control as the instinct to survive.

Procreating or not procreating is as open to strong judgment as the choice to survive or not.
 
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So true
Sad

Dogs are sad too ;)

Rats & rabbits literally die of loneliness ..
I'm aware animals can commit suicide as well. Starfish even commit suicide
 
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I can't speak for others, but that's why I've known since I was VERY young that I would never had children or even long term relationships. The thought of a child having a mother that can barely bring herself to get out of her bed or a husband stuck with a wife with anxieties so bad that shes a nervous wreck all the time.. ugh. You're right, I would be setting up my family for failure and that I will not do. So, its just me. I'm okay with that.
 
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Me too and me three.
My genes are probably faulty since Ive been depressed literally half my life. I have fucked up habits like severe self harm, eating disorder and drug addiction. Im setting my potential child up for becoming as fucked in the head or more as me. All the while having the usual problemswith money, education and relatonships. I dont wanna risk this.
 
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Oh hell no. No kids for me. I would never want to expose children to me. Even as a teacher... I mean I can be great with kids sometimes but.. maybe if I had stayed on track like last year I could’ve had children in a couple years but now... no no way.

I don’t even think I should ever get married at this point.
 
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I am against people having kids under any circumstance, mental illness or not. This world is a hell of a place and only the naive and delusional would bring another poor soul into it. No kids for me. My line ends with me.
 
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Many people don’t think it through. When I was getting pregnant I was not having sex with the purpose of having kids. Ever since they separated sex from child bearing, sex within a marriage, u get more kids born into abject poverty because we all assume we have more control over fertility than we do in actuality. Then u end up a welfare dependent, your kid is now setup for poverty and to repeat the cycle. I kept turning to abortion bc I felt incapable of relationships and finding an appropriate partner to be committed with. Abortions really damaged me psychologically. I regret it but not in the current system.

I would not want to bring kids into socialism/communism. That’s what the ruling class has in mind for us. Basically global slavery. I’m glad I didn’t create new tax cattle for the ruling class to parasite off and destroy to feed their machine. This is kind of off the subject but yea depressed or mentally ill pple should not have kids unless u have a lot of support and financially can protect them from having to be indoctrinated in gov schools. Basically if u can homeschool your kid might have a shot and u can afford to be there for them not working all the time, outsourcing the actual parenting to other people.
 
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Many people don’t think it through. When I was getting pregnant I was not having sex with the purpose of having kids. Ever since they separated sex from child bearing, sex within a marriage, u get more kids born into abject poverty because we all assume we have more control over fertility than we do in actuality. Then u end up a welfare dependent, your kid is now setup for poverty and to repeat the cycle. I kept turning to abortion bc I felt incapable of relationships and finding an appropriate partner to be committed with. Abortions really damaged me psychologically. I regret it but not in the current system.

I would not want to bring kids into socialism/communism. That’s what the ruling class has in mind for us. Basically global slavery. I’m glad I didn’t create new tax cattle for the ruling class to parasite off and destroy to feed their machine. This is kind of off the subject but yea depressed or mentally ill pple should not have kids unless u have a lot of support and financially can protect them from having to be indoctrinated in gov schools. Basically if u can homeschool your kid might have a shot and u can afford to be there for them not working all the time, outsourcing the actual parenting to other people.
We already live in Global slavery.
 
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