Surviving Nembutal

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What happen once someone survives Nembutal as a source to use to ctb?
 
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So interesting report.
I already have read another one about a spouse's veterinary. She had taken a little quantity herself.
And also I have found this report, it is talking about 25 grms, but he immediately phoned his mother.
Time is the most important factor. After reading this report, no questions about to me.
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Oh I meant surviving N would be bad news.
 
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Oh I meant surviving N would be bad news.
I guessed it...to be honest it is not a good new, that's true.
There are not methods 100% safe or reliable and also when we talk about self deliverance, euthanasia, assisted suicide or just suicide; the time is not relative like Einstein's theory.Time matters and so much.
First report, we do not know how many hours was in coma. Quantity is important.
And second report. 25 grms. powders. Twenty minutes between to take it and paramedics arrived. Says " comatose and pulseless".

Just a stone in the middle of the road.
 
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Oh I meant surviving N would be bad news.
It would be, but i guess in this case he did not really want to ctb. He called his mother after taking it. Otherwise he would have succeeded I think.
 
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I was wondering something the other day. I drink a lot of alcohol, and alcohol can have a cross tolerance with barbiturates because they affect the same chemical in your brain. Would being more tolerant to alcohol and benzos affect the potency of N?
 
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I was wondering something the other day. I drink a lot of alcohol, and alcohol can have a cross tolerance with barbiturates because they affect the same chemical in your brain. Would being more tolerant to alcohol and benzos affect the potency of N?
I read in PPH that long term heavy drinkers have a higher chance of going into a comatose state instead of dying. They attributed it to liver damage though. They said taking more N woukd not necessarily help in this case.
 
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Some key points from the report :

He immediately phoned his mother, who called​
for an ambulance and rushed to his assistance.​
- Ten minutes post-OD she found him​
unresponsive and started CPR.​
- On paramedic arrival 20 minutes post-OD, he​
was comatose and pulseless.​
Early by-stander CPR and advanced lifesupport​
with ongoing respiratory and​
cardiovascular supportive care in the ICU​
resulted in complete recovery in this patient.​
So the report does not raise any doubt as to the effectiveness of N.

The only thing to keep in mind is that he was probably lucky in terms of being able to "change his mind".
N is probably not a good method for that.
For most people, once you've taken it, it's probably too late, unless someone arrives to "attend" to you very quickly.....

If you think you might "change your mind", then SN would probably be a superior method to N.
 
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Some key points from the report :

He immediately phoned his mother, who called​
for an ambulance and rushed to his assistance.​
- Ten minutes post-OD she found him​
unresponsive and started CPR.​
- On paramedic arrival 20 minutes post-OD, he​
was comatose and pulseless.​
Early by-stander CPR and advanced lifesupport​
with ongoing respiratory and​
cardiovascular supportive care in the ICU​
resulted in complete recovery in this patient.​
So the report does not raise any doubt as to the effectiveness of N.

The only thing to keep in mind is that he was probably lucky in terms of being able to "change his mind".
N is probably not a good method for that.
For most people, once you've taken it, it's probably too late, unless someone arrives to "attend" to you very quickly.....

If you think you might "change your mind", then SN would probably be a superior method to N.
On the other hand, SN gives you 20+ minutes to find a way to get help. N takes, what, 2 minutes? I would simply see that I'll be alone and turn off my phone/ put it in my car or something.
 
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I was wondering something the other day. I drink a lot of alcohol, and alcohol can have a cross tolerance with barbiturates because they affect the same chemical in your brain. Would being more tolerant to alcohol and benzos affect the potency of N?
According your post, It will take more time.
Somehow the tolerance and also alcohol affects it.
 
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On the other hand, SN gives you 20+ minutes to find a way to get help. N takes, what, 2 minutes? I would simply see that I'll be alone and turn off my phone/ put it in my car or something.
With SN you probably get 10 to 15 minutes to make the call (maybe longer)
Then if the ambulance takes 20 minutes or so to get to you, then you'll probably still be fine.

With N, you've probably got 2 or 3 minutes to make the call before going unconscious.
Then hope the ambulance gets there quick, but I don't know the numbers.....

TLDR : SN better than N if you think you might change your mind.
 
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With SN you probably get 10 to 15 minutes to make the call (maybe longer)
Then if the ambulance takes 20 minutes or so to get to you, then you'll probably still be fine.

With N, you've probably got 2 or 3 minutes to make the call before going unconscious.
Then hope the ambulance gets there quick, but I don't know the numbers.....

TLDR : SN better than N if you think you might change your mind.
But I would say if you think you might change your mind avoid the SN as well. You could still die and that would be terrible if you were not sure.
 
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According your post, It will take more time.
Somehow the tolerance and also alcohol affects it.
Do you think if I stopped drinking for like a month, my tolerance would go down?
 
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But I would say if you think you might change your mind avoid the SN as well. You could still die and that would be terrible if you were not sure.
Yes, absolutely. With "changing your mind" there's always the risk of it not working out that way.....

I'm not sure what the stats are on how often people have been taken to hospital for SN, but ended up dying, but anyhow, don't have time to research that at present. I suppose if those numbers were very low then you may be able to argue that SN mostly affords the "change-mind" option (within certain boundaries), but without investing time into researching it, I wouldn't like to say.....

But I do think it's probably fair to say that SN has better "change-mind-ability" than N, which could be viewed as a good or bad thing :sunglasses:
 
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The only thing to keep in mind is that he was probably lucky in terms of being able to "change his mind".
N is probably not a good method for that.
For most people, once you've taken it, it's probably too late, unless someone arrives to "attend" to you very quickly.....

If you think you might "change your mind", then SN would probably be a superior method to N.
You do not know whether he changed his mind, could to be bad informed and he thought that in five minutes.........dead. A calling farewell mistaken, could be.
In the first report does not tell how many time spent from he took it until paramedics arrived. I would be cautious about. One hour, two hours....I do not know it.

I agree about Sn istead N if you are not totally sure.
 
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You do not know whether he changed his mind, could to be bad informed and he thought that in five minutes.........dead. A calling farewell mistaken, could be.
In the first report does not tell how many time spent from he took it until paramedics arrived. I would be cautious about. One hour, two hours....I do not know it.

I agree about Sn istead N if you are not totally sure.
ok, that's a fair point, but it doesn't alter the other conclusions we drew.....

We could enhance those conclusions to state "changed mind or interrupted/found".

e.g. With SN there's a greater chance of survival if you change your mind or are found/interrupted, than with N

No, I think the timeline is quite clear :

- On the day of presentation, the patient took an​
impulsive overdose of 25 grams of pentobarbital.​
- He immediately phoned his mother, who called​
for an ambulance and rushed to his assistance.​
- Ten minutes post-OD she found him​
unresponsive and started CPR.​
- On paramedic arrival 20 minutes post-OD, he​
was comatose and pulseless.​
There's no one or two hour gap.....
Do you think if I stopped drinking for like a month, my tolerance would go down?
Perhaps you could look into dilantin, which is mentioned in the PPH, and no doubt in search results on this site.
 
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ok, that's a fair point, but it doesn't alter the other conclusions we drew.....

We could enhance those conclusions to state "changed mind or interrupted/found".

e.g. With SN there's a greater chance of survival if you change your mind or are found/interrupted, than with N

No, I think the timeline is quite clear :

- On the day of presentation, the patient took an​
impulsive overdose of 25 grams of pentobarbital.​
- He immediately phoned his mother, who called​
for an ambulance and rushed to his assistance.​
- Ten minutes post-OD she found him​
unresponsive and started CPR.​
- On paramedic arrival 20 minutes post-OD, he​
was comatose and pulseless.​
There's no one or two hour gap.....

Perhaps you could look into dilantin, which is mentioned in the PPH, and no doubt in search results on this site.
There is two reports. Look at above. There is another using vet liquid.
That timeline is not to be so clear to me.

I totally agree with you....interrupted or found. Time is everything, or almost.
Do you think if I stopped drinking for like a month, my tolerance would go down?
I am not sure, but yes, it would goes........ chemically of course.
 
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There is two reports. Look at above. There is another using vet liquid.
That timeline is not to be so clear to me.

I totally agree with you....interrupted or found. Time is everything, or almost.
ok, yes, for that other report we don't know how long it was before they were found.
If we knew that it was a lengthy time such as 4 or 5 hours, then it *might* raise some concerns, although those concerns would only really become more serious if several cases of this were seen.
But then those concerns can be addressed by adding caveats, such as "ensure you're not found within <x> hours".
Obviously, the more reports that are observed, then the higher the potential value of <x> could become.
This only becomes a serious concern if the value of <x> becomes too high to be practical for a large number of people.

Also, you have to be wary of the sources of data.
e.g. Could there be some pro-life agenda behind selectively drawing attention to certain cases, etc.

I suppose you should generally try to ensure you have at least 8 hours before being found.
For 99% or more of people that will probably be more than enough.

If you really want to play safe, or if you have some of the conditions that are known to increase the time-to-death, then you would try to ensure that nobody will find you or check up you, etc, for 24 hours after you take the N, to cover for those "extended comatose" conditions mentioned by the PPH, although perhaps dilantin can be used to reduce that requirement....
 
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ok, yes, for that other report we don't know how long it was before they were found.
If we knew that it was a lengthy time such as 4 or 5 hours, then it *might* raise some concerns, although those concerns would only really become more serious if several cases of this were seen.
But then those concerns can be addressed by adding caveats, such as "ensure you're not found within <x> hours".
Obviously, the more reports that are observed, then the higher the potential value of <x> could become.
This only becomes a serious concern if the value of <x> becomes too high to be practical for a large number of people.

Also, you have to be wary of the sources of data.
e.g. Could there be some pro-life agenda behind selectively drawing attention to certain cases, etc.

I suppose you should generally try to ensure you have at least 8 hours before being found.
For 99% or more of people that will probably be more than enough.

If you really want to play safe, or if you have some of the conditions that are known to increase the time-to-death, then you would try to ensure that nobody will find you or check up you, etc, for 24 hours after you take the N, to cover for those "extended comatose" conditions mentioned by the PPH, although perhaps dilantin can be used to reduce that requirement....
Of course. That is unkown, how long......................besides report tells about an equin pentobarbital. Pisabental do no uses to equin cattle, although says 13 grams which it is a big amount.
We might be aware that we are talking about of vet liquid, an intravenous solution, and so it is slower than powders solution.
Time until to be found is an important factor. I have projected around all night long as the song; around ten hours, should be good enough. I think...
But about this method I do not have any concern... I take a lot of time studying this method. Just another particular to have in mind.
I get some reports more about recoveries.

I do not know about pro-lifers, even though sounds religious.
I agree about 8 hours, I said 10 hours.......Important to ensure some hours to reach and keep the coma.

Add: Well, only thing that I am concern and these reports have gotten to change my mind would be about the amount. Two bottles, now I think would be better.
 
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Of course. That is unkown, how long......................besides report tells about an equin pentobarbital. Pisabental do no uses to equin cattle, although says 13 grams which it is a big amount.
We might be aware that we are talking about of vet liquid, an intravenous solution, and so it is slower than powders solution.
Time until to be found is an important factor. I have projected around all night long as the song; around ten hours, should be good enough. I think...
But about this method I do not have any concern... I take a lot of time studying this method. Just another particular to have in mind.
I get some reports more about recoveries.

I do not know about pro-lifers, even though sounds religious.
I agree about 8 hours, I said 10 hours.......Important to ensure some hours to reach and keep the coma.
LOL, so you will be grooving away to Lionel Richie when you take your N :sunglasses:

Tom bo li de say de moi ya, yeah, jambo jumbo
Way to parti' o we goin' oh, jambali
Tom bo li de say de moi ya, yeah, jumbo jumbo
 
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LOL, so you will be grooving away to Lionel Richie when you take your N :sunglasses:

Tom bo li de say de moi ya, yeah, jambo jumbo
Way to parti' o we goin' oh, jambali
Tom bo li de say de moi ya, yeah, jumbo jumbo
Yes I am captcha, but that song won't sound that day.........I had the vinyl record..it called Can't slow down...........but time ago I throw up to the garbage all my old stuffs especially LP's. Too much anger inside myself........
I am going to say the truth...actually I am an undercover agent of The Motown records Corporation........

Good one that chorus. Appreciate.
 
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Yes I am captcha, but that song won't sound that day.........I had the vinyl record..it called Can't slow down...........but time ago I throw up to the garbage all my old stuffs especially LP's. Too much anger inside myself........
I am going to say the truth...actually I am an undercover agent of The Motown records Corporation........

Good one that chorus. Appreciate.
:sunglasses:
Can't slow down is an amazing album....
 
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