[News] SanctionedSuicide Survey Results (November 2019)

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Are you lost too?

Are you lost too?

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I was very suprised to see that 89% don't have kids...... I'm one i wonder that is all about?
Not a mother and don’t want to be .. but I guess you have someone that depends on you. If they are grown up you may feel bad about leaving they behind, just like we do with our parents.
And people say having children completely changes your life and bla bla bla só it mus have something to do with it too
 
Return2Dust

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I’d be curious how many people on antidepressants have worsening SI because of the drugs they take. I can’t take them for this reason. I have a seizure disorder and must take anticonvulsants. They make my SI worse too. So I rely on ketamine infusions now to turn down the volume until I’m ready to leave. My last attempt earlier this year failed.
This is interesting. I take anticonvulsants for a seizure disorder and antidepressants for depression. I need to look into this.
 
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deadalready1969

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This is interesting. I take anticonvulsants for a seizure disorder and antidepressants for depression. I need to look into this.
The worst offenders (anticonvulsants) for me were Keppra, Vimpat and Trileptal. I was on Topamax recently, but switched to Zonegran. I’m going to switch back to Topamax again even though it makes me dumb, quite literally. The Zonegran is making my depression and suicidal ideation worse. I’ve also been on Phenobarbital, Gabapentin, Depakote, Lamictal and a few other meds alone and in combination. All of them caused some psychiatric side effects despite some being mood stabilizers. I have a vagus nerve stimulator now so I can take less meds, but I still need some. Right now it’s 200mg of Zonegran twice daily. At one time I was taking 4000mg of Keppra and other poisons. Anyway, the VNS, which is like a pacemaker in my chest, is meant to help with treatment-resistant depression too, but I haven’t experienced much improvement in my mood. If you look on the Epilepsy Foundation website, about ten years ago anticonvulsants had to start being labeled with warnings about them causing suicidal thoughts and actions. Since a lot of anticonvulsants and antidepressants act on similar brain receptors, it makes sense the side effects would be similar. Wellbutrin was the only antidepressant that worked somewhat well for me, but it lowers your seizure threshold as do some other meds in that class. I see a neuropsychiatrist who is familiar with how different drugs affect seizure thresholds even though I’ve pretty much given up on psych meds. I’ve tried well over 30 by now. Ketamine infusions are my go-to treatment to taming my suicidal mind. Though that didn’t stop me from attempting in January or it doesn’t stop me from planning. It just buys me time that’s somewhat tolerable some days.
 
AngelOfDeath01

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There should be a question:" Who have successfully ctb ?" for the ex ss souls( May they be at peace wherever they are) for statistic purpose obviously.
In all seriousness, it in an intresting survey despite the results being a bit expected.
 
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Most of the people here are white caucasian, and so it’s funny when they push that white privilege lie. Oh ok that’s why most of us here are on the verge of suicide lol!
Maybe the suicidal people who aren't so privileged haven't found this forum. I did read actual suicide rates in USA (I am UK based, don't know about UK though) are higher for non-whites. Maybe less privileged don't forum first, they just do it.
 
Final Escape

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Maybe the suicidal people who aren't so privileged haven't found this forum. I did read actual suicide rates in USA (I am UK based, don't know about UK though) are higher for non-whites. Maybe less privileged don't forum first, they just do it.
I can’t say I agree it’s higher for other ethnic groups. In the US whites commit suicide at much higher rates I’m not sure where u found this info. You do need a certain iq level to operate a computer or smartphone, learn a different language. This can cause a barrier too for certain people.
 
MeltingHeart

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Surprised age is not used in the survey no? I would say thats a very relevent factor to consider and take into account on the subject?
 
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KiraLittleOwl

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I was horrified to see that statistic, but I know suicide is something of an epidemic in the trans population. The world can be so unkind to trans people. I hope you can get the support and care you need.
Thank you
Although it's more complicated than that, people can be kind but still alienating subconsciously until we perfectly pass. And most of us hate our bodies because HRT and surgeries have their limits.
 
thrw_a_way1221221

thrw_a_way1221221

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Thanks for the results Serge and they are insightful. I was a bit surprised that MH was the leading cause for suicidality instead of finances or social situation, but in a sense, it sounds logical as other factors eventually contribute to the mental health problem (finances, study, work, social relations, etc.)
 
RainAndSadness

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Interesting. According to the survey, 10% of asked SS-members don't identify with the sex they were assigned with at birth. Does that mean 10% of active members are trans? That would be the logical conclusion and if that were the case, that would be insane. I had the suspicion before that a lot of members might be trans in this forum but this rate is mind-blowing, I didn't expect that. But then again, it just reinforces the high suicide attempt rate, which apparently is 41% among trans people. And that's really sad. And apparently 40% of the members that participated in this survey don't have any friends. That's also very depressing but it confirms that loneliness and social isolation is a huge factor when it comes to suicide ideation and I am sure most members here would feel better if they had friends or at least some social support. Also, 90% of members feel that Sanctioned Suicide impacted their life in a positive way. That speaks for itself and a certain Jackie should consider this, the next time she attacks this website.

Well, thanks for the results, I think that's very educational and definitely interesting.
 
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FailedWoman

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Interesting. According to the survey, 10% of asked SS-members don't identify with the sex they were assigned with at birth. Does that mean 10% of active members are trans? That would be the logical conclusion and if that were the case, that would be insane. I had the suspicion before that a lot of members might be trans in this forum but this rate is mind-blowing, I didn't expect that. But then again, it just reinforces the high suicide attempt rate, which apparently is 41% among trans people. And that's really sad. And apparently 40% of the members that participated in this survey don't have any friends. That's also very depressing but it confirms that loneliness and social isolation is a huge factor when it comes to suicide ideation and I am sure most members here would feel better if they had friends or at least some social support. Also, 90% of members feel that Sanctioned Suicide impacted their life in a positive way. That speaks for itself and a certain Jackie should consider this, the next time she attacks this website.

Well, thanks for the results, I think that's very educational and definitely interesting.
10% is a lot indeed. I once read somewhere that about 4% of people don't fully align with their assigned sex, but only 0.7% decides to transition. I think it illustrates the barrier to transition quite well. And it's said that about 90% of trans people have struggled with serious suicidal thoughts one way or another, so these statistics aren't very surprising to me.

I can't help but wonder how that deciding to transition affects suicide rates though. For me it has worked both ways.
Living in the closet is worse than anything. But I did end up losing most of my friends due to transitioning, and HRT caused some complications which are pushing me to my next attempt. Not to mention there's pretty much no one out there that will ever take a trans person seriously.

On the other hand, I don't hate myself as much as I used to do. Even if I am a complete fuckup... Which is a big deal. It also brought some people closer to me, and I ended up experiencing some euphoria.
 
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10% is a lot indeed. I once read somewhere that about 4% of people don't fully align with their assigned sex, but only 0.7% decides to transition. I think it illustrates the barrier to transition quite well. And it's said that about 90% of trans people have struggled with serious suicidal thoughts one way or another, so these statistics aren't very surprising to me.

I can't help but wonder how that deciding to transition affects suicide rates though. For me it has worked both ways.
Living in the closet is worse than anything. But I did end up losing most of my friends due to transitioning, and HRT caused some complications which are pushing me to my next attempt. Not to mention there's pretty much no one out there that will ever take a trans person seriously.

On the other hand, I don't hate myself as much as I used to do. Even if I am a complete fuckup... Which is a big deal. It also brought some people closer to me, and I ended up experiencing some euphoria.
I can’t comprehend the pain of feeling like u were born in the wrong body- feeling like u were born to the wrong parents is bad enough! (Which I know is Illogical to think- as then I wouldn’t be me, the me that feels that way- but you know what I mean) And then to lose friends because of yr choice too-well sadly they cannot be called true friends - And they are just V. narrow minded. Can’t help but feel that even though it might the mental anguish they must feel being in their situation - that it must be hugely exacerbated by the way society reacts and deals with people in that position. Although it does seem to be gaining a wider acceptant & a celebration of trans lives etc- do you think progs such as Glee etc...are good in giving an insight into the lives & struggles of trans people? Or is that too naive to think a tv show can do that?
 
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FailedWoman

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I can’t comprehend the pain of feeling like u were born in the wrong body- feeling like u were born to the wrong parents is bad enough! (Which I know is Illogical to think- as then I wouldn’t be me, the me that feels that way- but you know what I mean) And then to lose friends because of yr choice too-well sadly they cannot be called true friends - And they are just V. narrow minded. Can’t help but feel that even though it might the mental anguish they must feel being in their situation - that it must be hugely exacerbated by the way society reacts and deals with people in that position. Although it does seem to be gaining a wider acceptant & a celebration of trans lives etc- do you think progs such as Glee etc...are good in giving an insight into the lives & struggles of trans people? Or is that too naive to think a tv show can do that?
I think that trans visibility has risen a lot in the past years and that it works both ways.
Young trans people have role models now. Think of Laverne Cox, Jazz Jennings and a lot others.
On the other hand it's caused people to resist it more fiercely. Pride parades getting hijacked by anti-trans movements, people getting kicked from the army or being refused healthcare and such.
In the end I think that increased visibility is a good thing, but it will take a few generations to pay off.
 
MeltingHeart

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I think that trans visibility has risen a lot in the past years and that it works both ways.
Young trans people have role models now. Think of Laverne Cox, Jazz Jennings and a lot others.
On the other hand it's caused people to resist it more fiercely. Pride parades getting hijacked by anti-trans movements, people getting kicked from the army or being refused healthcare and such.
In the end I think that increased visibility is a good thing, but it will take a few generations to pay off.
That’s the word I was looking for visibility! I hate that the fact of that could cause more backlash- why are people so afraid of things they don’t ‘understand’ it just exposes there own insecurities most likely! Wouldn’t suprise me if some of these people are bored married men that find trans people attractive! Maybe that’s a childish thought & I hope it’s offensive- but it just springs to mind those cases when u hear about someone being really homophobic - due to their own sexually isssues! It’s might be a generalisation to make but u can’t help but feel that people that react with such uncalled for rage against others - that are literally doing them no harm MUST be because they have some underlying issues they are not dealing with! It’s a complex issue so can’t be simplified by just one theory, I just hope things improve over time. It sounds airy fairy to say - but why, why the hell- can people not just let other choose to live the way they wish- as long as they are not harming others! It’s something I’ve never understood, adds to my loathing of some aspects of humanity & as such my desire to ctb.
 
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FailedWoman

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That’s the word I was looking for visibility! I hate that the fact of that could cause more backlash- why are people so afraid of things they don’t ‘understand’ it just exposes there own insecurities most likely! Wouldn’t suprise me if some of these people are bored married men that find trans people attractive! Maybe that’s a childish thought & I hope it’s offensive- but it just springs to mind those cases when u hear about someone being really homophobic - due to their own sexually isssues! It’s might be a generalisation to make but u can’t help but feel that people that react with such uncalled for rage against others - that are literally doing them no harm MUST be because they have some underlying issues they are not dealing with! It’s a complex issue so can’t be simplified by just one theory, I just hope things improve over time. It sounds airy fairy to say - but why, why the hell- can people not just let other choose to live the way they wish- as long as they are not harming others! It’s something I’ve never understood, adds to my loathing of some aspects of humanity & as such my desire to ctb.
Some people are even using the hatred as a crutch and it's kinda messed up to be honest. Like how the recently-elected Polish government was openly campaigning against trans and gay people, saying we violated "traditional family values" and that we're basically like pedophiles. You just know that it's going to hurt a lot of LGBT people.
 
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RainAndSadness

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10% is a lot indeed. I once read somewhere that about 4% of people don't fully align with their assigned sex, but only 0.7% decides to transition. I think it illustrates the barrier to transition quite well. And it's said that about 90% of trans people have struggled with serious suicidal thoughts one way or another, so these statistics aren't very surprising to me.

I can't help but wonder how that deciding to transition affects suicide rates though. For me it has worked both ways.
Living in the closet is worse than anything. But I did end up losing most of my friends due to transitioning, and HRT caused some complications which are pushing me to my next attempt. Not to mention there's pretty much no one out there that will ever take a trans person seriously.

On the other hand, I don't hate myself as much as I used to do. Even if I am a complete fuckup... Which is a big deal. It also brought some people closer to me, and I ended up experiencing some euphoria.
That makes sense. I'm not sure if you know but I'm also transgender. I talked about this in the past. I started my HRT 2 years ago and I just recently changed my name and gender legally, which was a huge milestone for me. But yeah, the suicide ideation is very strong among trans people. I'm suicidal myself and most trans people I know are suicidal too. To be honest, I don't really know anyone who isn't. Regarding transition: it generally decreases suicidality but as you just explained, transitioning can bring its own social problems. Like, if people discriminate or exclude you for being (visibly) trans, that's obviously a huge contributor to the high suicide attempt rate. I'd put it like this: transitioning in a supportive environment can drastically reduce suicidality among trans people of all ages. Transitioning in a non-supportive environment still reduces the suicide rate but it will make it very difficult and generally keep the suicide rate high. That's my interpretation of the scientific studies. It's worth to mention that the suicide rate is the highest among very young people who are dependent on the approval of their parents, family, friends, social circle. These are the most vulnerable and need the most support.
 
MeltingHeart

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surprised inceldom want included in the survey in someways