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My mind keeps returning to this subject when I first read a newspaper article about a GHB overdose a few weeks ago. Not quite N but could be close if it knocks you out before any adverse symptoms come into play. But some of them went really peacefully if I read it right
 
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I went to the link. I only see death info. Thats like only looking at the deaths caused by car accidents and not realizing the small percentage of car accidents that result in death. You need to know the true survival percentage of a method. You can't just look at the number of deaths.
 
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From CNS depression Wiki: more potent than N


In a study comparing the central nervous depression due to supra-therapeutic doses of triazolam (a benzodiazepine), pentobarbital (a barbiturate) and gamma-hydroxybutyric acid, it appeared as if GHB had the strongest dose-effect function. Since gamma-hydroxybutyric acid has a high correlation between its dose and its central nervous system depression, it has a high risk of accidental overdose. In the case of accidental overdose of gamma-hydroxybutyric acid, patients can become drowsy, fall asleep and may enter a coma.
 
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I need to get this need a good source though :/
 
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I have seen it a lot on the dark web when I was looking into it
Do you happen to know how much GHB percent is converted from 1 butanediol?
Say I have 1L of 1b. How much GHB thatd be?
 
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Still very available on DNMs, though it will without a doubt make you vomit by itself, even with small amounts. Some will sell GBL which is a prodrug of GHB.
Do you happen to know how much GHB percent is converted from 1 butanediol?
Say I have 1L of 1b. How much GHB thatd be?
In terms of metabolism? Impossible to say, really. 1,4-butanediol along with other precursors/prodrugs also have some level of differential action from GHB.

If you're talking about reaction yield wikipedia approximates it at 95%.
 
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Still very available on DNMs, though it will without a doubt make you vomit by itself, even with small amounts. Some will sell GBL which is a prodrug of GHB.

In terms of metabolism? Impossible to say, really. 1,4-butanediol along with other precursors/prodrugs also have some level of differential action from GHB.

If you're talking about reaction yield wikipedia approximates it at 95%.
ID like to know how much roughly of GHB is in GBL and 1b.
You mean 95% in 1b of ghb? My english aint that good sry
 
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QUOTE="Qbert, post: 422422, member: 4931"]

Didn't realize how lethal a ghb overdose could be ( scroll down for the research part.
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Good luck getting your hands on it. And if you are using the dark web to get it you might as well get N. It's a way better idea and more peaceful.
 
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This is 1,4-butanediol -> GBL, if you were to follow this dehydrogenation procedure you would obtain roughly 950ml GBL from 1000ml 1,4-BD. Probably not achievable outside of a lab, but still. Since GBL is a prodrug of GHB they're probably relatively equipotent, but saying that when I experimented with 1P-LSD (LSD prodrug) I found it slightly weaker than the real thing so it's hard to guess equivalences.

'GBL tends to be more potent and faster-acting than GHB, but has a shorter duration; whereas the related compound 1,4-butanediol (1,4-B) tends to be slightly less potent, slower to take effect but longer-acting than GHB. ' - https://www.who.int/medicines/areas/quality_safety/5.4GBLpre-review.pdf
 
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Good luck getting your hands on it. And if you are using the dark web you might as well just get N.
It's far more accessible than N, especially considering the price of N. It was available pretty cheap a couple years ago on Dream, probably still is on the newer markets.
 
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Good luck getting your hands on it. And if you are using the dark web you might as well just get N.
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This is 1,4-butanediol -> GBL, if you were to follow this dehydrogenation procedure you would obtain roughly 950ml GBL from 1000ml 1,4-BD. Probably not achievable outside of a lab, but still. Since GBL is a prodrug of GHB they're probably relatively equipotent, but saying that when I experimented with 1P-LSD (LSD prodrug) I found it slightly weaker than the real thing so it's hard to guess equivalences.

'GBL tends to be more potent and faster-acting than GHB, but has a shorter duration; whereas the related compound 1,4-butanediol (1,4-B) tends to be slightly less potent, slower to take effect but longer-acting than GHB. ' - https://www.who.int/medicines/areas/quality_safety/5.4GBLpre-review.pdf
Thanks Man. So if I ingest 20ml of 1b thatd be my doubt how much its converted to ghb in the stomach.
 
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Thanks Man. So if I ingest 20ml of 1b thatd be my doubt how much its converted to ghb in the stomach.
Well 1,4-BD should be thought of as a different compound, unlike GBL it's not a prodrug of GHB and therefore it's very difficult to compare the potency of the two; it also has some different effects that would not be experienced from GHB. Personally I would assume from that wiki quote that 'slightly' could be anywhere between 10-20% and go with that, could be overkill but that's not a bad thing in this case, 1,4-BD was being sold on DNMs as GHB and may still be so if it were me I would add 10-20% to whatever dose of GHB is supposedly lethal. This is also a good idea because what you receive is unlikely to be above 90% 1,4-BD by weight if it's not been produced in a proper lab.

This is just what I would do though, we can't be certain about many things related to lethality without raising the dead.
 
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My mind keeps returning to this subject when I first read a newspaper article about a GHB overdose a few weeks ago. Not quite N but could be close if it knocks you out before any adverse symptoms come into play. But some of them went really peacefully if I read it right
What is it Stan?
What is it Stan?
Found it now. Very easy to get in the U.K but unsure how you’d test it?
 
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Its a drug thats used for a few things. Most people know it as the 'date rape' drug because of how it reacts in the body with alcohol. Others use it as a type of steroid and is still in very few cases prescribed in one form or another for medical conditions. It's also used recreationally as apparently it gives (at the right dose) some level of euphoria). My research says its big in the gay scene for whatever reason. It intrigues me is that it is fatal for sure and has been proven many times. The peaceful bit is still a question I guess. The fact it is used in date rapes would suggest that you just slip into unconsciousness, and some of the witness reports say that friends of those that overdosed just put them to bed as it looked as if they were sleeping. No regime is needed and a few people have written here that they want to have a few drinks to overcome SI, well this method demands that you drink! In fact it works better in conjunction with drugs that could help SI

There are no real eyewitness statements about how long it takes, but again the eyewitness reports say that they put them to bed and were dead the next morning. its been a few weeks since I looked up prices on the Dark Web, but it was fairly cheap for what I equated to be 3 times the dose needed to kill you, I think it was maybe £50 but I don't really trust my memory these days.
 
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Its a drug thats used for a few things. Most people know it as the 'date rape' drug because of how it reacts in the body with alcohol. Others use it as a type of steroid and is still in very few cases prescribed in one form or another for medical conditions. It's also used recreationally as apparently it gives (at the right dose) some level of euphoria). My research says its big in the gay scene for whatever reason. It intrigues me is that it is fatal for sure and has been proven many times. The peaceful bit is still a question I guess. The fact it is used in date rapes would suggest that you just slip into unconsciousness, and some of the witness reports say that friends of those that overdosed just put them to bed as it looked as if they were sleeping. No regime is needed and a few people have written here that they want to have a few drinks to overcome SI, well this method demands that you drink! In fact it works better in conjunction with drugs that could help SI

There are no real eyewitness statements about how long it takes, but again the eyewitness reports say that they put them to bed and were dead the next morning. its been a few weeks since I looked up prices on the Dark Web, but it was fairly cheap for what I equated to be 3 times the dose needed to kill you, I think it was maybe £50 but I don't really trust my memory these days.
Hear reports most weekends in the press of someone who as been date raped by this.
 
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Good luck getting your hands on it. And if you are using the dark web to get it you might as well get N. It's a way better idea and more peaceful.
Yeah, you need to do some research before making statements like that

I went to the link. I only see death info. Thats like only looking at the deaths caused by car accidents and not realizing the small percentage of car accidents that result in death. You need to know the true survival percentage of a method. You can't just look at the number of deaths.
Looking back at your post history, do you ever have any useful points to contribute about a method?
 
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Looking back at your post history, do you ever have any useful points to contribute about a method?
Looking back at my post history, I have had many useful points to contribute about methods. You must not have read many of my posts. I have also been helpful in other ways. The simple fact is, people are here to learn, and people learn best from mistakes and failures. When you look at a product to buy, do you learn more from the negative reviews or the positive ones? The negative ones teach more and help people avoid buying a piece of crap product. And people on this forum will not have a problem if they succeed, but will if they fail. It is failing that is what needs to be the focus to help them not be still alive and even worse off. The post you quoted of mine is true anyway. You can't just look at deaths!

Have you ever interacted with me in a positive or helpful way? Examine your own behavior.
 
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Have you ever interacted with me in a positive or helpful way? Examine your own behavior.
Well I can look at two of your entries in the past two days as my response . One to Hydra (who is perhaps a member who created an account solely for the purpose of issuing that post so they would not be hounded for more information in their main account) where they clearly stated that they were showing how you could devise a successful plan and your response was "All you did was take the known working method in the PPH and add a sedative, but no sedative is needed. But your post has probably confused and intimidated some into not using SN." I wasn't intimidated at all. And the OP was responding to demand as there are many questions on exactly what they posted. I applaud that member and really can't see where your opinion for people being intimidated comes from.

Regarding this thread, the report (in the link) posted clearly said it was a sample of deaths to use for this study and also stated in a whole paragraph the reasons for this. There are other links relating to GHB using different study groups if searched. Further reading outside would inform people that there is no antidote even if found.

I also included a news report that showed a serial killer used it as his modus operandi with a fairly brutal success rate.

Looking at why people have failed is useful information, but even that data can't be taken as guaranteed facts. My viewpoint is to look at successes and replicate them.

The subject of this post has the potential for being something akin to N if it was researched properly. Much cheaper and for most western countries probably plentiful.

However, many times have I seen people throw in a blase comment just for the sake of things and new ideas need to be given time to breathe and not be shut down.. Necessity is the mother of invention and most people would just rather have N. If something like GHB fills a particular gap between N and SN, then it should be given time and encouragement to be discussed.

SN was inspired by a new humane way of killing feral swine, why can't GHB be a 'thing'
 
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One to Hydra (who is perhaps a member who created an account solely for the purpose of issuing that post so they would not be hounded for more information in their main account) where they clearly stated that they were showing how you could devise a successful plan and your response was "All you did was take the known working method in the PPH and add a sedative, but no sedative is needed. But your post has probably confused and intimidated some into not using SN." I wasn't intimidated at all. And the OP was responding to demand as there are many questions on exactly what they posted. I applaud that member and really can't see where your opinion for people being intimidated comes from.
A post like Hydra's post about SN would confuse and intimidate people that are not experienced enough in their research to know better. And that means they might get turned away from a low cost and simple method that seems to work and is not very painful based on the people that have done it. SN is not that complicated. He took a relatively simple method and turned it into a confusing mess.

I am not here to argue, but I am not going to be pushed around or harassed either. I am here to learn and yes I have tried to prevent some users here to avoid what might become a failed suicide attempt, which would make them suffer more than they already are. I tried to help. Would you rather I just let them be misinformed and fail their attempt and damage themselves and get put in a psych hospital and all the other bad consequences?
 
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Just thought I’d state I’ve used GHB recreationally a few times and it tends to cause extreme dizziness at higher doses (I’ve blacked out on it before and felt sick to my stomach) It doesn’t taste very nice and makes carbonated beverages seem flat

The dose curve between recreational and blacking out does seem to be small. I purchased it when dream market was still around.

Im not sure if you’ll need an anti emetic or not as I didn’t throw up but I would assume it might be the case depending on the sole fact you don’t know if you’ll become unconscious or throw up first from a lethal dosage
 
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Im not sure if you’ll need an anti emetic or not as I didn’t throw up but I would assume it might be the case depending on the sole fact you don’t know if you’ll become unconscious or throw up first from a lethal dosage
It doesn't seem so, and you are right about the recreational dose. Varies in stories between 1gm to 2gm which is quite a difference. One of its effects is that your gag reflexes goes, not antiemetic at all but not sure if it factors at all in anyway to you not being sick. Unless of course you have the blessing of a cast iron stomach
 
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Wikipedia says 3.5 g for unconsciousness and 7 for lethality.

Alcohol potentiates respiratory depression (the most frequent cause of GHB death) possibly by slowing elimination of alcohol.

I excerpted this from Wikipedia in another post about it's lethality and side effects with alcohol.

with single doses over 7000 mg often causing life-threatening respiratory depression and higher doses still bradycardia and cardiac arrest. Other side-effects include convulsions (especially when combined with stimulants), and nausea/vomiting (especially when combined with alcohol).

Edit: Removed incorrect note on @Stan post.
 
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Weight is going to be strange as it comes in a liquid mainly. Some sites refer to having half a teaspoon as a dose for recreation use
 

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