If God has a plan for all of us, is suicide a part of that plan as well?

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As above.

Some say that heaven/God/higher beings have plans in store for us and hence we shouldn't cut our lives short by suicide. But what if suicide is was the plan to begin with?
 
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In my opinion absolutely Yes,
The other angle of view would be that destiny is real. Imo again, we are God experiencing a human life, this is the only explanation I see about the qüestion, why are u experiencing your body, how the hell its u who receive all the senses that this body has. What relates u with this great creation. So the explanation is, again imo: God creates everything and experience it all, but when he is experiencing a human life, thats it, its just a human being, as can be a fly, a fish or a dog, or a virus. And when they all die, they become aware again that they are everything else, and everyone together, thats what is God for me.

 
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I don't believe that suicide is ever God's plan. God didn't create us to be his puppets. He gave us free will. He may give us tools, opportunities, etc, but ultimately what we do with our lives is our choice. I'll also add that I don't believe anyone will go to hell for commiting suicide. He forgives our sins, and He sees all sin as equal.
 
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nah man, sorry, Randomness is not possible, because think, God is not so stupid to create a world, and thenrandomly comes an asteroid and destroys it...wtf u see , is not possible
So u see that randomness doesnt exist for God, exists for humans, because u cannot make all the calculus, and do not have all the info that is neccessary to predict the future, but God does. If u roll a dice, u dont know whats going to come out, but got does cuz he knows the angle, the force, the mass of the dice, the wind ...but u don´t
 
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I don't believe suicide is ever the ideal exit plan for a person, but I feel it's a viable choice when the agony and suffering of life far surpasses the joy. That being said, some suicides DO garner widespread attention and act as a catalyst for change and for shifts in perception on a wider societal scale. Are those suicides planned for the purpose of igniting massive changes in society? I don't know, but it seems plausible to me.
 
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If god had a plan and it really was for me to be born just to suffer unmercifully, be touched inappropriately by pastors in a christian school as a child, get raped, abused and have mental issues and physical issues and then commit suicide that's sick and down right disgusting. I guess needless to say I'm an atheist.
 
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Absolutely part of the plan. I personally believe God, Source, etc doesn't make judgments when it comes to choosing suicide. I think there are consequences but not judgment. Meaning you may choose to relive the same life but in a different way or choose to come back as someone altogether different. Or stay in the spiritual realm for a time to work on yourself. Always our choice.

The plan is up to us imo. We are God experiencing the endless parts of Herself. Suicide is most definitely part of that experience for some.
 
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I've heard we have set exit points throughout our life, I guess get out of jail free cards. This could be due to any type of death including suicide. I believe our lives are set up with a number of probabilities, and if suicide is one then your family and loved ones have also agreed the possibility to having the grieving experience of losing someone to suicide. When I first became suicidal I became obsessed with learning about theories of the afterlife, soul contracts etc. I had a reading and was told I have 11 exit points in this lifetime which is supposedly much higher than average and my next exit point is coming up in December. I thought this was interesting as I didn't express to the person I was suicidal or have ever been. I feel like my life was set up to always have this lingering in the background. Obviously no way of proving the validity of this just interesting to think about
 
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Imagine jhin trapped in a bottle who grants you 3 wishes. Hes a god that can do everything for others but not for himself and hes limited by that bottle , he was trapped by other entities. Same story with us but we are trapped in these bodies ( some of us chosed this to experience physical density others was put here against their will)
Once we are gone we are gods of consciousness and we can create and do anything there but x10000000n faster than here i mean instantly. This place has a contract which is to forget but earth itself started to be more conscious so in time you never know whats gonna happen with this contract and with that all galactic trade marketing system ( earth is a trade market, they suck our energy and create stuff with that . We have unlimited power but we are limited by our bodies). The more you know the more you know that you dont know a shit
 
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Plot twist: God or higher beings been giving us challenges all our lives, but the one challenge he sees as the ultimate sacrifice is the ability to kill yourself. But history has dictated that suicide is a sin and that you go to hell which was pronounced by all clergy and religious fanatics for years.
 
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"If"

That's a big assumption that impacts the rest of the question.

IMHO there is no God, so there is no plan. Things happen and that's that.

We only even consider a God and their plans because we were born into a world where such things are considered to be a possibility.

I doubt rabbits or squirrels or dogs or cats or mice or gorillas ponder about a God and what His (or Her) plan is for them. They just get on with trying to survive. It was only when we developed a more analytical brain that such (IMHO) silliness entered our consciousness.
 
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Plot twist: God or higher beings been giving us challenges all our lives, but the one challenge he sees as the ultimate sacrifice is the ability to kill yourself. But history has dictated that suicide is a sin and that you go to hell which was pronounced by all clergy and religious fanatics for years.
I've thought about this, in some ways suicide could be seen as a higher path because you're confronting your fear of death directly. But I guess a lot would depend on the circumstances, motivation.
 
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There is no God and if there is that God doesn't have any plans for you. You are a biological entity in a biological world.

You or me can be snuffed out at any point of time by completely random events.

Please do not believe in God. No good will come of it.
 
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Plot twist: God or higher beings been giving us challenges all our lives, but the one challenge he sees as the ultimate sacrifice is the ability to kill yourself. But history has dictated that suicide is a sin and that you go to hell which was pronounced by all clergy and religious fanatics for years.
Interesting theory that I have though about myself a bit. Such as life being a simulation or a game and the only way to win is suicide. Obviously the system wants us to fail so sets up society to be anti suicide but some people see through this and gain a higher tier of knowledge about how to beat the simulation. When I tell this to people they just stare blankly but it's really an interesting theory to talk about.
 
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There is no God and if there is that God doesn't have any plans for you. You are a biological entity in a biological world.

You or me can be snuffed out at any point of time by completely random events.

Please do not believe in God. No good will come of it.
I used to believe this but came to realize there is definitely more going on behind the scenes. There are patterns in reality, just because you can't perceive them doesn't mean they aren't there. The only way I can explain their existence is if there is a God or higher power that structures things. I think the most palatable way for science minded people to digest this is the simulation view of reality. I'm pretty sure we're in a simulation of some kind, and it's pretty mind blowing if you're able to see it for yourself.
 
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Interesting theory that I have though about myself a bit. Such as life being a simulation or a game and the only way to win is suicide. Obviously the system wants us to fail so sets up society to be anti suicide but some people see through this and gain a higher tier of knowledge about how to beat the simulation. When I tell this to people they just stare blankly but it's really an interesting theory to talk about.
I mean "if" God created us, he put up a failsafe in his creation which is survival instinct. A theory that says we should never override it because it would destroy his work. Maybe God has a complex, like he wants to see if we remain under his control or we break his autonomy and become completely self aware and in control of our lives. All theoretical of course and makes for fun convo, I myself just believe in darkness after death.
 
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I don't know if there's a higher power, the world seems to chaotic and random to lean into that fully. But I do know that this world and life are much more than what meets the naked eye. I once watched a youtube video where a medium spoke with her dead son that killed himself - and she said that it was a spiritual "contract" that that was his stopping point, almost as if to imply that it was meant to happen this way. Of course, she could just been trying to comfort/console herself. It's natural that people do that when tragedy happens so it doesn't all seem to meaningless.

In any case, it's impossible to know but I'd say if there is a god/higher power at all that all decisions and choices made by humans are self-possessed including suicide.
 
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I see it in that way, that there aren't exactly plans, but that there is worth fulfillment. Some things, we want to experience in our life from a higher perspective.
I will extend it a bit.
When you have experienced, what you wanted to experience and there is no worth fulfillment anymore, then you will disengage. When there is no reason to extend this life anymore from a higher perspective, then you will die. This can happen trough suicide, accidents or cancer. That's the reason nobody should be scared of car accidents or incurable cancer. When it happens, it happens because of a reason. Even if you secure yourself against every imaginable illness and form of accident, if it's time to leave this life, then you may die due to a robbery for example or simply die in sleep with no apprent reason. There is no randomness in life. Even distressing times in life have a reason. Then it's the choice of the person if he wants to continue or to end it, there is no negative choice. There won't be consequences.
 
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Instinctual ideas of suicide, mental illnesses, and suicide exist and where created by that "existence ", for you to die off. So yeah , born to die by suicide is part of his "plan".
Nature is harsh and unforgivable.
The creator =/= religious gods.
 
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Why wouldn't suicide be a part of the God's plan? (Provided there is a God who has a plan for any of us.) Didn't God give me the brain, pain aversion, ability to predict and plan future? So what if I want to go against one of my biological drives -- to survive at all costs? I'm also following another drive, which is to avoid pain and suffering. Am I acting in discord with God's plan in situations where I have conflicting biological drives?
 
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In the Christian mythos, God is described as being responsible for creating everything. He created Eden and put the first humans in it, the Adam and Eve of Genesis. He made them as they were: innocent but with intelligence.
He then did something very odd.
He put knowledge right in front of them as a temptation, in the form of the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge.
So he gave them insatiable curiosity, then put an irresistible temptation in front of them.
The serpent tempted Eve to partake of the knowledge and pass it on to Adam
And then God condemned them and their descendants to mortality because they committed the original sin of being exactly what he created them to be.
Eve didn't have to listen to the serpent, so the blame cannot be laid at the serpent's...er...feet (LOL I didn't think that one out), she acted as she'd been designed to do.
And Adam didn't have to listen to Eve, or did he? Wasn't he too designed to be curious?

I was raised as a Catholic. We studied the bible. That bit always struck me as odd.
 
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In the Christian mythos, God is described as being responsible for creating everything. He created Eden and put the first humans in it, the Adam and Eve of Genesis. He made them as they were: innocent but with intelligence.
He then did something very odd.
He put knowledge right in front of them as a temptation, in the form of the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge.
So he gave them insatiable curiosity, then put an irresistible temptation in front of them.
The serpent tempted Eve to partake of the knowledge and pass it on to Adam
And then God condemned them and their descendants to mortality because they committed the original sin of being exactly what he created them to be.
Eve didn't have to listen to the serpent, so the blame cannot be laid at the serpent's...er...feet (LOL I didn't think that one out), she acted as she'd been designed to do.
And Adam didn't have to listen to Eve, or did he? Wasn't he too designed to be curious?

I was raised as a Catholic. We studied the bible. That bit always struck me as odd.
Maybe the story could be taken figuratively. Humans became too intelligent, conscious or whatever mental faculty is responsible for giving rise to a sense of our own mortality. Nature also cursed women with painful childbirth. Human infants have huge heads and it's painful to pop them out. (Price for knowledge.) I don't know what the serpent would represent here though.
 
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I don't know what the serpent would represent here though.
A DNA chain!
Good reasoning with the other stuff.
I was taught in theology that the Gospels were allegorical (though we weren't allowed to read John LOL). I naturally assumed that the rest of the book was too, historical telescoping and propaganda aside.
I think it was the contradiction of the insatiable curiosity and the irresistible temptation that always got me. If we accept the narrative of story prima facie, all metaphors aside, it just seems...odd.
 
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I believe that God does have a plan for us, but suicide is not a part of that plan. He has given us free will to choose to commit suicide, and will forgive us if we do.
 
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Yeah, I would guess so. It would be really weird if God put you through a lot of horrible crap then was shocked when you decided you were sick of it.
 
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God is among us.
You are creator.
 
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You never know, maybe your suicide is meant to impact someone else's life as part of God's or a god's plan for other people. Maybe this suffering we feel is part of someone else's story and we're just plot devices for them. Maybe the devil or some similar analogue is interfering with God's plans by driving people to suicide. Who can say for sure?
 

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