[Discussion] Hope is evil

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BobbyPellitt

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Hope is a double edged sword, it can provide comfort through tough times, but it also can give you false expectations. Hope could be one of the reason why some people here refused to ctb just yet. I personally hate hope and believe that it's evil. Hope to me is nothing but an illusion that force me to tolerate life and it's misery. Moment of happiness in my life right now is very rare, yet when it happen, I always end up believing the same lie that is hope. What do you think of hope?
 
heartless_95

heartless_95

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For those of us in that strange limbo phase of wanting to stay alive and also passing on - hope can be a unique catalyst. Sometimes I pass between stages of utter despair and an impatient need to end my life and then wanting to wait a little longer- since I've been here this long, what's the harm in seeing if things will get better - even just a little? And then I always come back to the same conclusion ... It can really suck. I feel how you feel all the way.
 
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sleepless

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Hope is a double edged sword, it can provide comfort through tough times, but it also can give you false expectations.
I agree with this statement. For me, I think having hope, is telling myself not be be afraid of failure, which encourages myself to keep trying. It seems promising at first glance. But I think for many of us here, hope is not a movie with a happy ending. Despite many having gave hope many chances, it sets us up with one disappointment after another, and there is only so much one could take before shattering into a million pieces, with hope nowhere to be seen glimmering over the horizon.

My only expectation of hope now lies in the opposite side of the realm, which is a chance to end it all peacefully and smoothly, and no longer a fruitless walk down an endless, pointless path.
 
BobbyPellitt

BobbyPellitt

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I think the line between hope and false hope is very blurred and that's what makes hope seem evil when you're playing with a bad hand.
I believe there's no such thing as hope and false hope. Hope itself is false expectation, illogical with little evidence. Expectation are based on reality and logic, it requires evidence before reaching certain conclusion. For example, people like to hope that things will get better in the future, even though all evidence points otherwise. Then they wonder why things never got any better. In the end, they (including myself) are stuck in an endless loop of false expectations (hope), only to be disappointed over and over again until they realize the only thing that's keeping them alive are nothing but an illusion.
 
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Jean Améry

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"Hope is the worst of all evils for it prolongs the suffering of man." (Friedrich Nietzsche)

Yet without hope who could bear the horror of life? It's the sickness we carry within us. Schopenhauer says suicides don't even despair at life itself but only at their particular circumstances. Aslong as we are animals there will always be the irrational part in us we call hope.
 
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Final_frontier

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I agree with you. If i had not hoped that my mental illness would get any better when it started and kms early on, I would have ended up as a good memory for my family. Hanging on for over a decade with hope has made it worse and worse and so many bad things have happened between me and my parents theyll be relieved to see me gone and now ill be a bad memory for generations. Fuck.
 
ChristopherWalken

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Wow I needed to read this. I was at the end of my rope about a month ago and completely ready to ctb but then some friends gave me a glimmer of hope and I got all into it and started doing things to try to turn it all around. Now things are even worse, and I've wasted all this time and money on crap that won't matter, and only makes me a bit more vulnerable if that were possible. So much truth here.
 
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I have thought much of the same for awhile now. Hope is like an extension of SI. It’s like the mind’s way of keeping you around.
Society feeds into it as well, just as quick as they rip it out from under your feet. And then the cycle continues.
 
Darkhaven

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Hope, personally, has only been serving to blindsight me every fucking time.
I spent most of my teenage years on my bedroom telling myself that things would get different as i would grow up. I would get more social, i would start making moves in life and i would become a better student and athlete.
Now look at me, i'm sick, chronically depressed, anxious, socially disabled and completely out of society. All this at my early adulthood years.
You re right about hope.
 
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spanishguy22

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Hope is stupid if ir relates to thinking you can have a happy and fulfilling life while suffering from some specific incurable mental illnesses
For things like cancer though im all for it
 
Tabbyql

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Hope made me hang on for waaaay too long. The most cruelist time for me was when I was completely and totally hopeless and attempted to ctb. After that i was diagnosed with all my mental illnesses. And i was told there was a chance i could possibly stabilize/recover and finally have a life. I was encouraged to actually think about the future, make plans have dreams. Then things just got worse and I now feel like an idiot and the pain from having that hope hurts more than being hopeless.
 
BobbyPellitt

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Hope, personally, has only been serving to blindsight me every fucking time.
I spent most of my teenage years on my bedroom telling myself that things would get different as i would grow up. I would get more social, i would start making moves in life and i would become a better student and athlete.
Now look at me, i'm sick, chronically depressed, anxious, socially disabled and completely out of society. All this at my early adulthood years.
You re right about hope.
hey are you me? I have a very similar experience socially. Spending all that effort and enduring all that pain in promise of a better future, just to end up worse than I could've ever imagined. That's why I don't trust myself anymore. Now everytime my mind tricks me into hoping for a better future, I quickly shut that thought down and go back being the pessimistic, depressed, antisocial piece of shit that I am. At the very least, I won't be disappointed.
 
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woxihuanni

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Hope is there for the unprivileged to be good so that the privileged do not have to be inconvenienced.

What will you do when you have to face that it's not all fun and games, eh? You will be free, free to accept you are evil through and through. And rejoice in it.
 
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thrw_a_way1221221

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I believe hope is can be a cognitive distortion used for "convincing others or oneself" that things could get better or change, but not always likely to happen. For people who want to recover, hope is a good driving force, but for those who want to give up and die and no longer suffer in this existence, then hope is an opposing force against that end goal.

Personally, what I hate the most is false hope, which is hope that is derived from just wild assumptions and oftenly inaccurate assessments of such a situation, which often leads someone to believe that things will get better when in fact, it doesn't, but gets worse. It is really detrimental to the logical mind and those who are really rational and operate on logic for most decision making (people similar to me).
 
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"Hope is the worst of all evils for it prolongs the suffering of man." (Friedrich Nietzsche)

Yet without hope who could bear the horror of life? It's the sickness we carry within us. Schopenhauer says suicides don't even despair at life itself but only at their particular circumstances. Aslong as we are animals there will always be the irrational part in us we call hope.
Nietzsche was ahead of his time.
 

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