[Method] Guns/firearms megathread

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For shotguns, #4 buck is the correct answer, followed by #1, 00, then slug. Nothing higher than #4buck, and definitely no birdshot or smaller. I’m not getting into wound ballistics, but #4 is the correct answer in terms of penetration depth and apparent surface area. . Frankly I wouldn’t try with FMJ unless it was a last resort.
 
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Are you sure you have a Glock 18? That is a fully automatic pistol and rare and hard to get. I am unfamiliar with using a fully automatic weapon for this purpose. I'm not sure you could fire more than one round before your trigger finger relaxed. I think a shotgun is the best best bet, even compared to the 18, if you really do have that model.
Haha sorry, its a glock 19. Been playing too much counterstrike lately.

so obviously a shotgunhas the higher shotgun success rate, but i was just wondering if there was actually a big difference between FMJ and hollow points. Or does the change in success rate come from where you aim it?

I was planning to go into the mouth angled slightly upwards.


Also thank you for the input on FMJ. I’ll probably just wait till quarentine ends so i can get some hollow points.
 
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Handguns are perfectly functional, with the caveat that you need to use a large enough caliber. Technically speaking, any gun can work, but below a certain size threshold your chances of success drop significantly.

Modern handguns:

@Threads's preference for a .357 is well founded. A .357 is the benchmark against which all other calibers are measured for "stopping power."

Gun calibers can be extremely confusing --the more you look, the more confused you'll get-- but a good rule of thumb could be:

Revolver: anything .38 Special (marginal! --see note under ammunition) or larger --.357, .44, .45 Colt, .45ACP, etc.
Semiautomatic: anything 9mm or larger --.40, 10mm, .357Sig, .45

Avoid in either type of pistols: .22, .25, .32, .380, .38ACP. Will some of these smaller calibers work? Yes --technically. I have a .32 Auto that is likely to be my choice since it'll leave less mess than my .45ACP. The .380, aka 9mm Largo, is a good round, especially with modern ammo. BUT, you had better be very confident of your aim (I have shot competitively). If you are reading this thread with even a shadow of a doubt about where you need to aim, you should not look at these smaller calibers.

Revolver or semiautomatic?:

Revolvers are mechanically simpler and often attract less attention during purchase. You can also find them with a 2" "snub nose" barrel that makes them very easy to handle.

Semiautomatics have become far more common than revolvers, so might be easier to acquire, but they are more mechanically complex.

And once again, Hollywood is a shitty place to learn about how to use either.

Ammunition:

Always, always, always use hollowpoints, sometimes abbreviated in conversation and on the box itself "JHP" (Jacketted Hollow Point). JHPs deliver all the kinetic force of the bullet in as short a distance as possible. I.e., into your head, rather than into the wall on the other side of you. The brand doesn't matter; they all work.

If you are using a .38 Special revolver, which is marginal, look for ammunition labled "+P" or "+P+". These are designations meaning the ammunition has been loaded with more powder than the standard ammunition, and thus will deliver more power.
Oooh, Good to know that on the 38 special. I don't have my revolver anymore, my mother stole it, pretty much.....Though, I might purchase another.....a revolver, I just like to keep it simple. But maybe a 38 ain't so special, so I should possibly take your advice and purchase something with a bigger punch. I am still looking into SN. Have acquired it. I have not blood tested it yet, though....That has become my recent first choice.
 
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Sorry if this has been posted, i believe most of the discussion at the start of the thread was directed towards where to aim.

Will a glock 18 and FMJ suffice? I know hollow points are reccomended but with the whole covid situation i wasnt able to get any. Im sure FMJ can get the job done i just want some more insight on this. Thank you.

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wait you have a glock 18? the full auto varian which is the glock 18?
So, if I understand correctly, I can just buy a shotgun from a local store and put it in my mouth, angle it slightly forward and press the trigger to kill myself? Would a shotgun be too big to try that?
The 12 gauge is more than adequate with proper ammunition I would suggest double lot buck shot or a slug a soft lead slug and it would be preferable if the buckshot was not copper plated and just plain lead. As many people have mentioned and replied the angle is important and what they are saying is correct for what I am reading some people are considering using a 9 mm and I guess if that's all you have it would work but if you have the option to get it at 12 gauge shotgun or even a 20 gauge shotgun as shotguns produce much more foot pound energy and habe a much larger diameter and fire a heavier projectile hundreds of feet per second faster than a 9 mm. Please advise you to use a shotgun and also you can do it at home you could always use a vice a gun vice or any other method that wedges and secures the bottom of the shotgun clearly it is also useful to use a mirror and a ruler so you can better see where your angle is going to go. No matter what you do do not use full metal jacket please use a shotgun people. take care.
 
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Good point and as for pistols, I would suggest hollow points as they expand and dump more energy into the target area. The idea of the hollow point projectile is to not over-penetrate the target but to throw all that energy into a single point, dealing as much damage as possible while FMJ's simply just pierce or punch through. Hollow points are really popular self-defense pistol rounds as they deal a lot of damage to whatever it hits while at the same time not over-penetrating and hitting an unintended target near it's surrounding areas.
 
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I agreed with that PP that said technically "any" gun would do. Hell yeah if you aim the muzzle right at the skin of your skull and blast it.

I used to look down on handgun and revolver, but look at this baby. This is a .500-Smith-Wesson-Magnum. With the bullet this size, aim point blank at your head, you would go.
I saw a Youtube of someone test this with a watermelon, which bigger and heavier than a human head, guess what, it literally blast that watermelon to pieces.

Too bad I already have a tactical shotgun, or else this one it good too.

 
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I saw a Youtube of someone test this with a watermelon, which bigger and heavier than a human head, guess what, it literally blast that watermelon to pieces.
A watermelon is very unfit for being compared with the human skull, they just get used often because they explode in a spectacular fashion. I could drop a watermelon from half my height and it would crack open, even a light kick would do. The closest fruit I found to the human head would be a coconut.
Which doesn't change the fact, that a .500 S&W would blow your head to pieces, of course. But you don't even need to pick the largest handgun caliber there is. In my opinion pretty much any firearm, anything above a .22 short, can be used doubtlessly. I hate it when people overcomplicate or rule out suicide by gunshot for having a miniscule chance of failure and then choose methods which have a miniscule chance of success. But to each their own.
 
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@Reiraku

Hey there, I agreed with you.

Well I don't have a .500 S&W. I have money to get one but I don't think I need a second gun.

I have a KSG tactical shotgun. I spend $1,000 on it last time I bought it.

This exact same model shotgun of this Shuaiby guy use to suicide. It literally blow his head to pieces, and he didn't even aim at the brainsteam/mouth. He literally put it aim at his head and BAM, it blow his whole head to pieces.

So you think if I use this shotgun and aim like him, would it kill me? I'm scare I would flinch, but with this gun muzzle at your head, I think flinch don't matter much, it too close and would blow your head off. Let just hope it be enough to kill me.

 
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Question for experienced gun owners.Are very cheap shotguns significantly less powerful than average priced ones? Thanks
No, there is no difference other than quality of the weapon workmanship. The actual cartridge/slug does not care what it's being fired from. A $99 Hi-point fires just the same as a $3000 Dan Wesson for the purposes discussed here..
 
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Question for experienced gun owners.Are very cheap shotguns significantly less powerful than average priced ones? Thanks
No. Shotgun is a shotgun a better brand will be more reliable but since you’re not shooting thousands of rounds it should not matter just make sure it works out of the box and anything from a single shot 12 gauge to a pump action or an auto loader of any brand that’s not a piece of shit as long as it’s new it should not matter and it does not matter it makes no difference or has any effect on velocity or the outcome on the other end of the barrel! Good question let me know if you have any more I’d love to answer them!
@Reiraku

Hey there, I agreed with you.

Well I don't have a .500 S&W. I have money to get one but I don't think I need a second gun.

I have a KSG tactical shotgun. I spend $1,000 on it last time I bought it.

This exact same model shotgun of this Shuaiby guy use to suicide. It literally blow his head to pieces, and he didn't even aim at the brainsteam/mouth. He literally put it aim at his head and BAM, it blow his whole head to pieces.

So you think if I use this shotgun and aim like him, would it kill me? I'm scare I would flinch, but with this gun muzzle at your head, I think flinch don't matter much, it too close and would blow your head off. Let just hope it be enough to kill me.

A 12 gauge in the mouth as the extremely high with the chance and success rate for completing suicide. There is no better gauge or caliber. Flinching shouldn’t be too huge of an issue I would still try to aim for the important golden zone but like you said it should just last your head and skull to pieces. If you can get 3 inch loads or 3 1/2 inch magnum loads with some number for buck or a double lot buck you should be great to go. FoodIf you can get 3 inch loads or 3 1/2 inch magnum loads with some number four buck or double lot buck you should be great to. good luck.
 
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"...number for buck or a double lot buck you should be great to go. FoodIf you can get 3 inch loads or 3 1/2 inch magnum loads with some number four buck or double lot buck"

I'll fix up his typos so as not to confuse people unfamiliar with shotgun shells. That should read number 4 buckshot or 00 (double oh is the way it is pronounced) buckshot. Double oh (00) is usually considered the most powerful, but at such close range and deep in mouth any shotgun shell should do the job, but those two are very good choices. To give you an idea of the power of a shotgun shell 00 buckshot will be about the equivalent of nine simultaneous .38 calibre bullets. 38's were the most common police pistol rounds in the USA for most of the 20th century.
 
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It's "aught". Double aught. Aught is an old English word for "nothing". It's the same word as in "30 aught 6" (.30-06).

I will probably end up offing myself with a high power rifle, because that's all I have. A WWII Lee Enfield, British .303.
It's total overkill, I know, and will result in a very messy skull explosion, but it's my only option at the moment.
I'd prefer a pistol, a slower, heavier bullet, like a .45, but... we make do with what we got, right?
 
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Thank you to all those who have given helpful information in this thread. I bought a 357 magnum. I hope it will give me a feeling of peace to finally have control over my destiny. I also wanted a weapon in case stuff really goes down because of covid but didn’t know where to start. Looking forward to having it in hand and getting used to it at the range.
 
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Thank you to all those who have given helpful information in this thread. I bought a 357 magnum. I hope it will give me a feeling of peace to finally have control over my destiny. I also wanted a weapon in case stuff really goes down because of covid but didn’t know where to start. Looking forward to having it in hand and getting used to it at the range.
I have one of those too, it's actually my favourite, and the one I will be using for the final shot. Have fun with it at the range, I'm sure you'll love the feel of it !
 
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No, there is no difference other than quality of the weapon workmanship. The actual cartridge/slug does not care what it's being fired from. A $99 Hi-point fires just the same as a $3000 Dan Wesson for the purposes discussed here..
Does it matter what your using in the way of ammunition in the shotgun tho?
"...number for buck or a double lot buck you should be great to go. FoodIf you can get 3 inch loads or 3 1/2 inch magnum loads with some number four buck or double lot buck"

I'll fix up his typos so as not to confuse people unfamiliar with shotgun shells. That should read number 4 buckshot or 00 (double oh is the way it is pronounced) buckshot. Double oh (00) is usually considered the most powerful, but at such close range and deep in mouth any shotgun shell should do the job, but those two are very good choices. To give you an idea of the power of a shotgun shell 00 buckshot will be about the equivalent of nine simultaneous .38 calibre bullets. 38's were the most common police pistol rounds in the USA for most of the 20th century.
OMG, thats an insane amount of power.
 
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Does it matter what your using in the way of ammunition in the shotgun tho?

OMG, thats an insane amount of power.
Yeah you're really not going to have a problem with any type of shotgun slug/shot..
 
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Does it matter what your using in the way of ammunition in the shotgun tho?

OMG, thats an insane amount of power.
Oh yes it does matter what ammunition you choose to use in a shotgun! There’s so many different types of shotgun loading’s out there that many new to the scene find themselves confused but I would stay within the buck shot range say number for buckshot or double ought are the best. Two and three-quarter inch shelves can work fine but anything larger is preferable as the payload and powder charge is substantially more. You’re right it is a lot of power and absolute powerhouse...
it is the most powerful best sure fire way to go. I’ve had friends do it using that method and it worked.
Yeah you're really not going to have a problem with any type of shotgun slug/shot..
As long as that shot you speak of is buckshot not BB, BBB, #2-8 shot.
definitely avoid the number of shots two through eight I would not use BB or BBB Personally yet I can see them working if that is all that you have although most folks do not have that and that is not the most common shotgun shell loading.
It's "aught". Double aught. Aught is an old English word for "nothing". It's the same word as in "30 aught 6" (.30-06).

I will probably end up offing myself with a high power rifle, because that's all I have. A WWII Lee Enfield, British .303.
It's total overkill, I know, and will result in a very messy skull explosion, but it's my only option at the moment.
I'd prefer a pistol, a slower, heavier bullet, like a .45, but... we make do with what we got, right?
Honestly the high power rifle is the better choice even over the 45 diameter just make sure that you get some softpoint or hollowpoint (soft is preferable) hunting rounds For that Lee Enfield .303 British.
It's "aught". Double aught. Aught is an old English word for "nothing". It's the same word as in "30 aught 6" (.30-06).

I will probably end up offing myself with a high power rifle, because that's all I have. A WWII Lee Enfield, British .303.
It's total overkill, I know, and will result in a very messy skull explosion, but it's my only option at the moment.
I'd prefer a pistol, a slower, heavier bullet, like a .45, but... we make do with what we got, right?
That is a nice rifle by the way!
"...number for buck or a double lot buck you should be great to go. FoodIf you can get 3 inch loads or 3 1/2 inch magnum loads with some number four buck or double lot buck"

I'll fix up his typos so as not to confuse people unfamiliar with shotgun shells. That should read number 4 buckshot or 00 (double oh is the way it is pronounced) buckshot. Double oh (00) is usually considered the most powerful, but at such close range and deep in mouth any shotgun shell should do the job, but those two are very good choices. To give you an idea of the power of a shotgun shell 00 buckshot will be about the equivalent of nine simultaneous .38 calibre bullets. 38's were the most common police pistol rounds in the USA for most of the 20th century.
Pardon my spelling I was using talking and type as I am a little disabled and obviously didn’t check the spell check as well as I should have thank you for clearing that up, and I’ll go edit and fix my mistakes.
I must say though that painting the picture of 00 buck shot being as powerful i’m producing as much energy as nine simultaneous 38 specials is very inaccurate and misleading. 00 buck shot’s pellets are .33 of an inch and are typically 60 grains in weight where as .38 specials are .357 of an inch in diameter and weigh 158 grains. The .38 special round will generate somewhere in the range of 233 to 300 foot pounds of force let’s just say 300 where as the 2 3/4 inch 00 buckshot shell produces around 1,550 foot pounds of energy- this would fall short of the power of 9 .38 specials. Nonetheless it is very powerful, and I do agree that number four buckshot is a better choice over a double ought buck shot ( 00 buck) For the reasons that you stated and more. Just throwing out some more numbers and some more things for people to think about.
 
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For shotguns, #4 buck is the correct answer, followed by #1, 00, then slug. Nothing higher than #4buck, and definitely no birdshot or smaller. I’m not getting into wound ballistics, but #4 is the correct answer in terms of penetration depth and apparent surface area. . Frankly I wouldn’t try with FMJ unless it was a last resort.
I couldn’t agree more these are wise words and a great straightforward information.
 
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Do chokes matter very much for this method? Does a cylinder choke shoot larger or more powerful slugs than a modified or full choke? Thanks
 
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Do chokes matter very much for this method? Does a cylinder choke shoot larger or more powerful slugs than a modified or full choke? Thanks
Chokes affect the spread of the shot, and are usually used to keep a tighter spread at longer distances.
A choke won't make a difference if you're shooting slugs, and probably won't make a difference at point blank range, either.
 
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At point blank range i doubt if it really matters whether you use birdshot or buckshot or a slug or choke or no choke, but i think the above recommendation to use #4 buckshot is a good one. A shotgun is a devestatingly powerful weapon and braced in the mouth it is hard to see it failing.

Potentially an even more powerful weapon - twice as powerful - is a double barreled shotgun, which is what Ernest Hemingway used. Most double barreled shotguns have two triggers. Is it possible to make both barrels go off at the same time by using 2 hands or 2 fingers or counting on the momentum of the one finger? I don't know. i doubt it. Did both of Hemingway's barrels fire? I don't know. Some double barrel shotguns have a single trigger, but the single trigger doesn't make both barrels go off at the same time. Instead alternate pulls on it shoots the alternate barrels.
 
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At point blank range i doubt if it really matters whether you use birdshot or buckshot or a slug or choke or no choke, but i think the above recommendation to use #4 buckshot is a good one. A shotgun is a devestatingly powerful weapon and braced in the mouth it is hard to see it failing.

Potentially an even more powerful weapon - twice as powerful - is a double barreled shotgun, which is what Ernest Hemingway used. Most double barreled shotguns have two triggers. Is it possible to make both barrels go off at the same time by using 2 hands or 2 fingers or counting on the momentum of the one finger? I don't know. i doubt it. Did both of Hemingway's barrels fire? I don't know. Some double barrel shotguns have a single trigger, but the single trigger doesn't make both barrels go off at the same time. Instead alternate pulls on it shoots the alternate barrels.
I have a double barreled shotgun, I can make both barrels go off simultaneously by pulling both triggers at the same time - they are quite sensitive, so using a finger is enough, I use my digit on the first and my middle finger on the second. No idea if Hemingway used one or two shots, I‘d say one is way enough, two is real overkill....
 
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Overkill for sure.

By the way, Remington 3" Express Magnum 12 guage 00 buckshot shotgun shells have fifteen (15) pellets each, and each pellet is almost the diameter (but no not the weight, but i don't think that matters much here) of a .38 calibre bullet!
 
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I just picked up a Taurus G2C and Remington Golden Saber Bonded 9mm HP. I know the best way with a pistol is to aim slightly up in the mouth, is there a diagram showing a good angle?
 
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I just picked up a Taurus G2C and Remington Golden Saber Bonded 9mm HP. I know the best way with a pistol is to aim slightly up in the mouth, is there a diagram showing a good angle?
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So here is the attached picture with a protractor on top. From this picture the angle from the mouth appears to be about 20 degrees. 30 degrees actually seems a bit high and 45 degrees seems really high. Any thoughts?
 
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Copied this post from @Connonoly45

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So here is the attached picture with a protractor on top. From this picture the angle from the mouth appears to be about 20 degrees. 30 degrees actually seems a bit high and 45 degrees seems really high. Any thoughts?
so it looks like about to the middle of the ear from the outside. give or take a mm. thank you
 
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Follow up question, if I manage to miss the brain stem, will I bleed out anyway?