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@thrw_a_way1221221 , I am considering shooting myself at the temple with a 12 gauge shotgun with 00 buckshot ammo, instead of the brainstem through the mouth. All of the shotgun suicides I have seen on video, the subject either shoots the temple (everything above the nose is blown away), or they shoot at the forehead (which is a bad idea IMO).

So, if I am able to aim at the temple with my 12 gauge, will it be sufficient?
 
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@thrw_a_way1221221 , I am considering shooting myself at the temple with a 12 gauge shotgun with 00 buckshot ammo, instead of the brainstem through the mouth. All of the shotgun suicides I have seen on video, the subject either shoots the temple (everything above the nose is blown away), or they shoot at the forehead (which is a bad idea IMO).

So, if I am able to aim at the temple with my 12 gauge, will it be sufficient?
A flinch or droop of your trigger arm and you may merely scalp yourself and lose an ear.
 
APharmaDestroyedLife

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I have guns a 44mag and a 22 pistol, I also have a few hunting rifles and a shot gun. I have a license, they are all legal. Aside from the 22, any of them would do the job. It's the fact that I dont want to put anyone through the trauma of finding my body. Shotgun deaths are particularly nasty and would cause whom ever found the remains great mental anguish and possible PTSD. I just cant do that to another human. I think those of us with Guns would still opt for a more peaceful less violent method if possible because of that. still there are plenty of gun suicides in my country everyday, so maybe people arent as worried about others as I think. anyone over the age of 21 should be allowed to go to a "check out clinic" for any reason. Imagine all the organs that could be used from medically supervised suicides for people who want to live.
 
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Good point @APharmaDestroyedLife and yes, if I had legal access to voluntary euthanasia (similar to the Netherlands, albeit even more proactive and freer than that) along with the guarantee of a peaceful death, then I would not resort to the firearms method. However, as an US citizen, euthanasia is illegal in most states barring the few states that have it. The ones that have it are only reserved for those who are terminally ill (generally <6 months left to live, and not going to recover), even then getting it is very difficult and you need to be sick and/or ill enough to qualify but not too sick/ill such that it would affect your ability to consent or self-administer, which is a conundrum (especially the last part). Yes, I too wished that voluntary euthanasia is legal for all consenting and rational adults over the age of 21, but sadly that isn't the case anywhere in the world.
 
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Good point @APharmaDestroyedLife and yes, if I had legal access to voluntary euthanasia (similar to the Netherlands, albeit even more proactive and freer than that) along with the guarantee of a peaceful death, then I would not resort to the firearms method. However, as an US citizen, euthanasia is illegal in most states barring the few states that have it. The ones that have it are only reserved for those who are terminally ill (generally <6 months left to live, and not going to recover), even then getting it is very difficult and you need to be sick and/or ill enough to qualify but not too sick/ill such that it would affect your ability to consent or self-administer, which is a conundrum (especially the last part). Yes, I too wished that voluntary euthanasia is legal for all consenting and rational adults over the age of 21, but sadly that isn't the case anywhere in the world.
I actually am that sick and I live at a border state where lt's legal, but get this... I am not eligible unless I move to that state and become a resident...and when you're very I'll moving is just not an option. My dad died 4 weeks ago from a horrible disease called MDS... his last weeks were horrible , but he was not a candidate either...

Oh yeah and other than my first reply, the other issue I have with firearms is personal and it's the fear of failure. Ughh you never know if your SI might kick in right before you pull the trigger, then you're potentially really screwed. I really overthink things and cant get out of my own head and my big fear is failure. It's funny to fear failure more than death... but that's me, I feel like I can find a flaw in almost every method and think I will be a victim of that flaw.. maybe that is my survival instinct working... I dont know. When i was 8 years old i would imagine having a bomb dropped directly on me and somehow living... strange thoughts for an 8 year old..I was never a suicidal kid or teenager. .but I've never lost that thought, the idea that I cant die until its "my time" strange right? I must have a really strong survival instinct....
 
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are there any 9mm semi-auto handguns that could do the trick?
 
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Does anyone know how I can purchase a firearm in the U.S. if I have been involuntarily hospitalized (FL Baker Act)? I read that I could buy a gun without a background check at a gun show but I honestly have no experience with purchasing or using any firearms. Also, would my involuntary hospitalization cause problems if I wanted to go to a shooting range to practice?
 
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are there any 9mm semi-auto handguns that could do the trick?
I posted this in another thread plenty of evidence of how effective handguns are.
Here are some videos, I have more I have downloaded but don´t have the links for, but if you want I have a lot of handgun suicide pictures too but I don´t know if you are just interested in the videos.
 
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Having just read through the entirety of this thread, I have some thoughts to share.

First, a thank you to @TiredHorse and the op for providing info that is easily understood by the layperson (me).

Today I picked up my Mossberg 500 cruiser and some 00 buckshot. I chose this model because:
  • It’s a shotgun, and I’m convinced after reading this thread and doing my own research that shotguns have the best chances of success
  • This gun is under 29” long. Before buying, I measured the length of my extended arm to get an idea of fit... I’m happy to report that it’s very easy for me to reach/pull the trigger while the barrel is in my mouth
  • It was very affordable and easy to come by as far as guns go
  • Should I continue to put off catching the bus, I could see myself enjoying researching and collecting different components for this modular weapon
Some thoughts about my gun buying experience:
  • I live in a red state, so it was very easy. Just ordered it online and had it sent to a local FFL. I chose an out of the way rural market because I wanted to make a trip out of it
  • I bought the mossberg 500 “just in case” model and the plastic canister came damaged during shipping (wtf). No scuffs or apparent damage to the weapon (bought it new). Trying to determine if I should go through the trouble of contacting the seller and demanding a new product/shipping this one back. I don’t care about the canister all that much
  • It’s a nice feeling to have such a (relatively) sure fire method at my fingertips. Felt more “real” somehow than my experiments with hanging or receiving sn in the mail
All things considered, this is definitely the method I’d use now. I don’t plan to for at least another couple of weeks, though. I plan to go either in the passenger seat of my car in an isolated/empty nature preserve or in a rented, isolated cabin. I know it’s harder than it seems, but I don’t think SI will pose a big problem for me with this method.

Just gotta hit that stem! I feel confident that I’ll be able to destroy it given the shockwaves/etc created by a shotgun if nothing else.

To that point, here’s a video showing the devastating power of a shotgun a close range:

I just came across this recent article discussing various traits of firearms suicides, as seen by a medical examiner:

wow that’s helpful and gross
 
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Hello all, I'm thrw_a_way1221221, or you can call me TAW122 if that's easier for you. In this thread, here is all the information in regards to ctb'ing via a gun/firearm.

Everyone who is suggesting or choosing to ctb via 'N' and 'A' and 'H', that's cool. However, this thread is about GUNS (Not biceps) so.

First and foremost. The obvious.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/case-fatality/

According to a 1997 study from the University of Harvard, Firearms wield a 82.5% success rate. Where as drugs have a 1.5% SUCCess rate (C what I did there)? Now of course, if you're not American, it's pretty much impossible to get a reliable gun. Although black powder is a thing, and I will get into that, because you know, I think renaissance festival enthusiasts are pretty cool (It's a joke laugh). Okay. Anywho. Let's talk guns.

I think that there has been some misconceptions with guns and reliability.

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/firearms/reliability (Over 90%)
https://everytownresearch.org/firearm-suicide/ (90%)
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm (Suicide by firearm accounted for like 49% of all American suicides in 2015)
http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/bal-te.brain05oct05-story.html (Only 5% survive a gunshot to the head)

Drugs.
http://lostallhope.com/suicide-statistics/drug-poisoning-us



5,465 OUT OF 228,366.

'But TAW122 I can get N.'

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/06/us/06ttdrug.html

While a totally old article, it still makes valid points and has correctly predicted trends in the United States. N is being manufactured less and less, and the legal demand for it just is not there. So yes. I'm sure they still use it in Mexico and other third world countries. It is also expensive. Are you truly ready for the painstaking and irritating time of finding a dark market, finding a reliable seller, and risking criminal prosecution (such as being intercepted by customs and all that shit)?

'But TAW122, I cannot purchase guns, I R not American'

In the UK, France, Italy, Poland, Czech Republic, and Serbia, you can purchase black powder replicas without a license.

Germany and Spain won't let you. Sorry ya'll if you live there. (Try moving to another country in Europe or so if possible.)


Guns beat drugs every day of the week. Sorry guys. When it comes to reliability. This is how it works. Now. Before we get into the joys of muzzle loading and you renaissance festival lovers, we're going to discuss for everyone in North America.

If you live in the US and do not live in California, Illinois, Oregon, Washington, or New York, and you have not committed a felony, and have not broken ATF regulations. You can purchase a gun. Congratulations.

plz read the laws and make sure you follow them okay, thanks guise

If you're going to catch the bus with a firearm in the US or Canada, using anything short of a shotgun is not really reliable (unless you are experienced with firearms and know how to shoot it well, where to aim, steady hands, etc).

'But TAW122, I have a .44 revolver/only have access to a handgun.'

If you can afford a shotgun, you should REALLY consider buying one. Plus, I believe in many states long guns (aside from the anti-gun, 2A hating states) are generally easier to come by. I live in NC so I have the opposite problem (NC has a pistol purchase permit law which is a holdover from the Jim Crow era and only serves to inconvenience people to buy handguns).

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...otguns/Maverick/Maverick+88+12GA+18.5+CYL+6RD

This bad boy costs UNDER $200 (as of current price). This is a fully functional and god-tier shotgun. The coolest part about owning a shotgun is when you cock it. It's just a sexy sound.

'But TAW122, how do I buy a gun from le Internet?'


TL;DR - Your gun is shipped to a nearby guy who has a FFL. He holds the gun. You go to his place. He does the background check. You leave with your firearm.

'But ammo'

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/656_2081/products_id/60359

This is the only round you need. This is overkill and generally good if you can get it. However, birdshot does work too, and I personally have #4 shot, which will still be sufficient especially at point blank range.

'But TAW122, I am a minor'

Well, you shouldn't own a firearm in the first place. Wait until you are an legal adult (18 in the US), and then move out and/or go and buy one.

'But TAW122, I have never shot one before'



Watch some youtube videos, go to a local range where you live or something.

'But TAW122, I live in a state with harsh gun laws'

Muzzle Loaders and Black Powder. READ EM.

'But TAW122, I am an adult, yet live with my parents'

If you buy the firearm online and have it shipped to your FFL, it should literally take 30 minutes for a background check to be completed. You can be in and out in 30 minutes. EZ PZ.

'But TAW122, I can't do that.'

Muzzle Loaders do not require an FFL. You can have shipped right to your front door.

'But TAW122, black powder/muzzle loading when?'


It is just a bit more complicated, but with enough guides and videos on the Internet, I believe you should be able to figure it out.

'TAW122, plz make a recommendation on a firearm for me'

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...ons+P1060+Kentucky+Pistol+Percussion+50cal+10

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/97060/Mossberg+PATRIOT+20+308+Y+WAL


These are just a few examples (see above).

'But TAW122, you said not to use a handgun nor a rifle'

The first example is not a handgun. It's a hand cannon. There is a difference.

'But TAW122, I live in Europe, I can't buy my guns online'

There are many gun stores in the UK that will allow you purchase REALLY overpriced renaissance festival cosplay equipment. Remember, when you go into the gun store, you're buying it because you're going to be Ollie Cromwell or Henry the 8th or something. Act enthused and passionate.

'But TAW122, I live in East Asia (China, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, etc.)'

Gun ownership in Asia, especially in East Asia is very restricted and civilian ownership is pretty much banned.

'But TAW122, I live in Oceania, (Australia, New Zealand, Polynesia, Micronesia, etc.)'

Afaik, @stargazer has mentioned that is it very difficult to legally obtain a firearm in those countries.

'But TAW122, in the UK, licenses, licenses, licenses'

https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/guns/ammunition/back-to-black-72074

You must demonstrate a good reason for having one. Possession of, and intent to use, a gun that is only proofed for black powder is a good reason.

'But TAW122, you did not list my country, or give me adequate information.'

Ask away and I will do my best to answer them.

'TAW122, where do I aim?'

See diagram below:



The happy place is the Medulla Oblongata (I like to call it, the Medusa Origin just for the luls) aka the brain stem. Once it is hit and destroyed, death is instantaneous/near instantaneous.
Hey TAW122,

Thanks for the great information and chart. My question is what angle would you need to aim at through the mouth to hit the medulla oblongata?
 
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Hey TAW122,

Thanks for the great information and chart. My question is what angle would you need to aim at through the mouth to hit the medulla oblongata?
What happens with many of these longer megathreads is that newer posters don't want to start at the beginning and read through everything. That's understandable, as after awhile things just keep repeating. The old SN thread is the best example.

However, the OP and the poster immediately following, TiredHorse, really seem like very knowledgeable gun guys! (I'm not.) They give an exhaustive, well-written examination of the subject, including types of guns, cartridges, angles, many other things.

Just reading the first few pages will answer most questions. Best of luck.
 
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Thanks fightingsioux, I read through the entire thread and I didn't really see anything on angle.
 
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Does anyone know how I can purchase a firearm in the U.S. if I have been involuntarily hospitalized (FL Baker Act)? I read that I could buy a gun without a background check at a gun show but I honestly have no experience with purchasing or using any firearms. Also, would my involuntary hospitalization cause problems if I wanted to go to a shooting range to practice?
Any purchase, even at a gun show, requires a background check. If you don't have a concealed carry permit, there's also a 3-day waiting period in FL. BUT... A Baker Act hospitalization will not disqualify you from buying a gun. You will only be denied if a judge or a court has judged you a "mental defect" or something like that. I live in FL, have been Baker Acted, and have bought several guns.

And the shooting range won't do any kind of background check or even ask about your background. If you already have the gun and the money to pay for the range, they couldn't care less.
 
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Okay so this thread has great information on a variety of things. Thank you for all that have contributed. I went back and read everything and took notes on the critical parts. To help out I will summarize the thread and others can help make changes by adding or taking away from my summary to make sure I’m correct.

1. Angle and placement – It was mentioned that Hollywood representations of gun suicides are a very, very bad template to follow. Shooting yourself in the temple, or holding the gun under your chin, is a BAD idea, for either pistol or long-gun attempts. The odds are good you won't hit the all-important brainstem, but will instead blow out your frontal lobe and end up a vegetable. Some people have even blown off the entire front of their face and lived --and been able to survive without a life support machine. The gun barrel needs to be centered in the mouth, with about a 30 degree upward angle--aimed right at the brain stem. I measured the angle in one of the attached pictures and it came out to approximately 30 degrees but please note that there were a few folks saying to aim at a 45 degree angle in the mouth and one saying 10-15 degrees. Another pointed out that if you aim a little low, you will still die, BUT if you aim a little too high, you might survive. So make sure you don't aim too high. And keep a protractor or a phone application that let's you adjust your angle.
2. Firearm - The largest caliber with the longest barrel is recommended. The best choice is always going to be a shotgun but handguns of a large enough caliber will work too. You just have to make sure your aim is spot on.
 
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You are pretty much correct @Connonoly45 and as far as acquisition, I would go and do it legally as well as carefully so that you don't attract unwanted attention or suspicion from people around you. It is recommended to purchase online and then transfer it to an FFL where you reside in (do check your state laws and local laws regarding background checks, possession, and ownership and make sure you have all your requirements in order). Other than that, I wish you the best.
 
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Okay so this thread has great information on a variety of things. Thank you for all that have contributed. I went back and read everything and took notes on the critical parts. To help out I will summarize the thread and others can help make changes by adding or taking away from my summary to make sure I’m correct.

1. Angle and placement – It was mentioned that Hollywood representations of gun suicides are a very, very bad template to follow. Shooting yourself in the temple, or holding the gun under your chin, is a BAD idea, for either pistol or long-gun attempts. The odds are good you won't hit the all-important brainstem, but will instead blow out your frontal lobe and end up a vegetable. Some people have even blown off the entire front of their face and lived --and been able to survive without a life support machine. The gun barrel needs to be centered in the mouth, with about a 30 degree upward angle--aimed right at the brain stem. I measured the angle in one of the attached pictures and it came out to approximately 30 degrees but please note that there were a few folks saying to aim at a 45 degree angle in the mouth and one saying 10-15 degrees. Another pointed out that if you aim a little low, you will still die, BUT if you aim a little too high, you might survive. So make sure you don't aim too high. And keep a protractor or a phone application that let's you adjust your angle.
2. Firearm - The largest caliber with the longest barrel is recommended. The best choice is always going to be a shotgun but handguns of a large enough caliber will work too. You just have to make sure your aim is spot on.
So the experts on this thread still haven't reached a consensus regarding the angle when aiming through the mouth? I have read most of the posts on this thread about aiming with the shotgun, it seems like increasing the angle above 15 degrees is a bad idea. This is the only query of mine that makes me keep coming back to this thread.

Although shooting myself with a shotgun at any above mentioned angles would be overkill, my pedantry urges that I get the precise lethal angle before pulling the trigger. @thrw_a_way1221221
 
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So here is the attached picture with a protractor on top. From this picture the angle from the mouth appears to be about 20 degrees. 30 degrees actually seems a bit high and 45 degrees seems really high. Any thoughts?
 
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@Thisisjustadream I concur with you, and it is a bit more important with a pistol/rifle than a shotgun (though for a shotgun, being close but not too far off would still do the trick).

@siray I would rather be overkill than underkill with the method because one only gets one shot (pun intended) to get it right as if they messed up and survived, they would likely become a vegetable along with other horrible consequences (disfigured face, brain damage, coma, etc.) and unable to reattempt in the future. Therefore, I'm going to leave as close to zero room for error or any mishap.
 
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20 degrees looks like the sweet spot.
Plan on having your assistant with you to hold the protractor, or can you manage it yourself? :sunglasses: Just teasing!

Guys, no matter what nonsense you might find on the internet, when you put a shotgun in your mouth and pull the trigger it's all the sweet spot!
 
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@fightingsioux Yes exactly with a shotgun in the it doesnt matter. I hope to use a shotgun to blow my brains out.
But if I cant get one, i will get a black powder gun hopefully that works to.
 
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Guys, no matter what nonsense you might find on the internet, when you put a shotgun in your mouth and pull the trigger it's all the sweet spot!
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Quite so. And you don't need solid slug, nor buckshot either. At point blank range even a load of birdshot is more than adequate. Shotgun loads act as a single mass over the first couple of feet or so, and will punch through bone to disperse inside the skull and pulpify the brain. In a contact or near contact shot the expanding gas from the muzzle enters the skull and blows the head apart.
 
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Quite so. And you don't need solid slug, nor buckshot either. At point blank range even a load of birdshot is more than adequate. Shotgun loads act as a single mass over the first couple of feet or so, and will punch through bone to disperse inside the skull and pulpify the brain. In a contact or near contact shot the expanding gas from the muzzle enters the skull and blows the head apart.
So you are saying that as far as a 12 gauge shotgun is concerned the ammo doesn't matter at all?