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Good posts on the UO (Unpopular Opinion) subreddit about how suicide prevention is inhumane

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I found a good post on the UO (Unpopular Opinion) subreddit explaining why suicide prevention is inhumane. The user, u/gwerbud explains in his post:
This isn’t a light topic. Obviously, the death of a loved one by their own choice would be tragic to many. Obviously, nobody should take their life on a whim. But to me, there is a clear and defined point where it is just cruel to keep someone alive when they want nothing more than for this sick life to end.
I say this as a suicidal person who knows how painful it can be mentally. Not just specifically just to my case in particular, but especially to those that have it worse than me. The idea of Involuntary hospitalization is just ridiculous to me. At least in the US, where I live, spending that time in the hospital could leave someone who could already be financially struggling in even more debt.
Picture this for me, so I can try to get my point across a little better: Imagine that you’ve lost everything. Your wife or significant other died in a car accident, your parents are dead, you have no kids, no money, no job, no friends. This may seem rather extreme, but to many people that are forced into hospital, all but maybe one or two of these things are apparent in their life. You get splashed with a wave of sentiment from those few people that feel bad for you after the news gets out, but for the most part they will quickly move on again. It’s all up to the individual to recover, and I would argue that oftentimes they don’t want to and can’t get better.
Let me also explain death from a perspective that many have not thought of (which may or may not represent most that commit suicide attempts): imagine sleeping, or imagine what it felt like before you were born. Blissful Ignorance to the outside world, no thoughts, nothing. This is what death can seem like, yet the only barrier is some field of pain and or people that hold you here against your will.
My final point is that a permanent solution to a temporary problem insured that there will be no further problems. Even if there is potential for more happiness in someone’s life, if they are willing to take their happiness away from themselves as a way to stop the pain for good, I don’t see why we almost treat some of these people as if their opinions and thoughts don’t matter.
Some don’t get better. Some can’t be helped.
Despite my knowledge that I am also sick in the head, I can say this for sure:
It doesn’t always get better. Sometimes, there is no happy ending.
Also, in the end, his sentence summarizes what a lot of situations end up in (most oftenly don't get talked about in the real world). There are cases without happy endings, but the majority of people oftenly cherry pick the happy endings and outliers to claim that most people who attempted to CTB regretted it. What the majority of people in the real world fail to see are the ones who didn't make it. The ones who didn't make it are oftenly ignored and buried, censored.

Another good post by the user, u/NordyNed had a shorter but succinct post about how suicide preventionists (pro-lifers anti-choicers) are cruel:

Isn’t it rather twisted to try and keep someone who clearly doesn’t want to live anymore alive? Isn’t it screwy to hospitalize them and treat it like a police matter if they try to assert control of their own body?
It’s their body, why not let them do what they wish with it? Because you want to prevent yourself from feeling sad? That’s selfish, isn’t it? What about the person - you have no idea how terrible they feel being alive each day. You’re keeping them, unwillingly, on this earth and preventing their efforts from leaving it just so you can continue keeping them in your periphery?
That’s fucked up. My body, my choice.
Also, I like how he ended the post with "My body, my choice." which is a popular pro-choice abortion slogan used by the pro-abortion crowd.
 
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I think it is extremely hypocritical to be pro-choice on abortion but not on suicide.

My view on suicide prevention is complex. I see some people even teens and I would think "yeah, I definitely understand why he/she did it, I'd probably do the same" and then I see overly dramatic teens that will kill themselves over such petty short-term things.

I'd at least say that anyone at the age of 25 or over has a right to suicide without intervention. At that age, you should know what you're doing.
 
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My dad died in hospital, he could of recovered but chose not too. he had suffered with MS for years. It hurt so much when i realised what was going on(he refused treatment) even my sister who is a nurse could see why it was what he wanted. It was fucking hard,(we didn't get along too well) i watched him take his last breath, it took a while(pneumonia).

But in the end it was his choice and we accepted it (reluctantly), my dad was stubborn (i have this trait) no 1 could have made him change his mind.

One thing i must say is my dad just sat normal and eventually stopped breathing(he had pneumonia, which he didn't have when he went into hospital), he didn't look to suffer one little breath, just breathing got slower and slower till it stopped. he looked completely at peace ,now i come to think about it.
 
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I think it is extremely hypocritical to be pro-choice on abortion but not on suicide.

My view on suicide prevention is complex. I see some people even teens and I would think "yeah, I definitely understand why he/she did it, I'd probably do the same" and then I see overly dramatic teens that will kill themselves over such petty short-term things.

I'd at least say that anyone at the age of 25 or over has a right to suicide without intervention. At that age, you should know what you're doing.
I would go as far as to say of legal age/age of the majority, in this case, 18 (in the US, maybe 16 in some countries in Europe). I could see why you'd pick 25+ as the age limit since it is said that a person's mind has more or less fully developed.

the only shocking thing I find about this is that we live in a world where those posts express unpopular opinions.
Yeah, sadly the majority of society doesn't like those "unpopular opinions" and the UO subreddit is at least one of the few places where people aren't shunned for speaking out on taboo subjects.

My dad died in hospital, he could of recovered but chose not too. he had suffered with MS for years. It hurt so much when i realised what was going on(he refused treatment) even my sister who is a nurse could see why it was what he wanted. It was fucking hard,(we didn't get along too well) i watched him take his last breath, it took a while(pneumonia).

But in the end it was his choice and we accepted it (reluctantly), my dad was stubborn (i have this trait) no 1 could have made him change his mind.

One thing i must say is my dad just sat normal and eventually stopped breathing(he had pneumonia, which he didn't have when he went into hospital), he didn't look to suffer one little breath, just breathing got slower and slower till it stopped. he looked completely at peace ,now i come to think about it.
Sorry to hear about your father. Sometimes if someone wanted to go, the best thing we do is to respect their decision even if we don't agree with them.
 
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My dad died in hospital, he could of recovered but chose not too. he had suffered with MS for years. It hurt so much when i realised what was going on(he refused treatment) even my sister who is a nurse could see why it was what he wanted. It was fucking hard,(we didn't get along too well) i watched him take his last breath, it took a while(pneumonia).

But in the end it was his choice and we accepted it (reluctantly), my dad was stubborn (i have this trait) no 1 could have made him change his mind.

One thing i must say is my dad just sat normal and eventually stopped breathing(he had pneumonia, which he didn't have when he went into hospital), he didn't look to suffer one little breath, just breathing got slower and slower till it stopped. he looked completely at peace ,now i come to think about it.
From what I read in the peaceful pill ehandbook, Pneumonia is said to be a peaceful way to die. I think it’s hypoxia. Kinda like the exit bag.
 
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From what I read in the peaceful pill ehandbook, Pneumonia is said to be a peaceful way to die. I think it’s hypoxia. Kinda like the exit bag.
It looked very peaceful,definately didn't look uncomfortable. breathing got slower and then just stopped.
 
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From what I read in the peaceful pill ehandbook, Pneumonia is said to be a peaceful way to die.
I can't confirm that from personal experience. I almost died from pneumonia in a hospital. I had a severe infection and when it became worse and worse I had to use an oxygen mask. The feeling of suffocating was horrible and made me panic. This was no regular pneumonia though, but it started with one.
 
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I can't confirm that from personal experience. I almost died from pneumonia in a hospital. I had a severe infection and when it became worse and worse I had to use an oxygen mask. The feeling of suffocating was horrible and made me panic. This was no regular pneumonia though, but it started with one.
I think the handbook said something about how this peaceful death was before the time of antibiotics, and that the use of them makes it so it’s no longer peaceful. Something like that. I’m too lazy to open it.

edit: it was actually viral pneumonia that is said to be not peaceful.
 

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I can't confirm that from personal experience. I almost died from pneumonia in a hospital. I had a severe infection and when it became worse and worse I had to use an oxygen mask. The feeling of suffocating was horrible and made me panic. This was no regular pneumonia though, but it started with one.
So obviously ...different effects, different people. My dad was sat up in a chair, no mask and just stopped breathing after a while.

Obviously different people can have different reactions, same with most stuff i guess
I think the handbook said something about how this peaceful death was before the time of antibiotics, and that the use of them makes it so it’s no longer peaceful. Something like that. I’m too lazy to open it.

edit: it was actually viral pneumonia that is said to be not peaceful.
Is that a new version of PPH? like after march 2020
 
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So obviously ...different effects, different people. My dad was sat up in a chair, no mask and just stopped breathing after a while.

Obviously different people can have different reactions, same with most stuff i guess
Yes, that's true. I'm sorry for your loss and am glad he passed away peacefully. I hope I didn't come off as impolite, that wasn't my intention. I lost my dad too, he was also ill for many years.
 
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How are the comments on these posts? Last time I made a post similar to these on that subreddit, I got ridiculed by like 20 different users.
 
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Yes, that's true. I'm sorry for your loss and am glad he passed away peacefully. I hope I didn't come off as impolite, that wasn't my intention. I lost my dad too, he was also ill for many years.
no not at all, I can't tell you off for not having the same symptoms as my dad did!!!!! everyone's different and its good for people to know things don't always happen exactly the same way.

I think that what the other member said, about different variations of pneumonia,causing different effects could be correct. but im not a doctor!!
 
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I'd at least say that anyone at the age of 25 or over has a right to suicide without intervention. At that age, you should know what you're doing.
25 is very vauge. I believe at any age it shouldn't be done if it is genuinely a short term problem. But people under 25 can definitely have long term problems that make them want to die as there is no way out.
 
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25 is very vauge. I believe at any age it shouldn't be done if it is genuinely a short term problem. But people under 25 can definitely have long term problems that make them want to die as there is no way out.
Thats depends on your definition of short term. what you think is a short term problem, might be someone else's long term nightmare

I'm pretty sure even 'short term' problems feel a hell of a lot worse than just a little short term problem for some.
 
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25 is very vauge. I believe at any age it shouldn't be done if it is genuinely a short term problem. But people under 25 can definitely have long term problems that make them want to die as there is no way out.
I'm speaking from a legal perspective where if an AoC is given, 25 would make the most sense as you are a fully-fledged adult at that point. So, anyone younger than that would have to wait until they were of legal age.
 
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Thats depends on your definition of short term. what you think is a short term problem, might be someone else's long term nightmare

I'm pretty sure even 'short term' problems feel a hell of a lot worse than just a little short term problem for some.
My bad, I should've clarified, I meant that some problems genuinely are short term, like I read an article about this guy who attempted suicide because his wife divorced him, but then he got counselling and a new partner and no longer wanted to die, therefore was short term. Long term for example is something like mental disorders, autism, being poor, being LGBT etc.
 
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My bad, I should've clarified, I meant that some problems genuinely are short term, like I read an article about this guy who attempted suicide because his wife divorced him, but then he got counselling and a new partner and no longer wanted to die, therefore was short term. Long term for example is something like mental disorders, autism, being poor, being LGBT etc.
Although i agree personally with your point.I am not sure everyone else would. Going through heartache or divorce etc could be absolute living nightmare for sum(it could also take a while). i have had break ups and its not nice and i got over them, it does feel like at the time it won't. but i don't feel i can judge someone else in this situation and how they react, or tell them what to do. I would want to, but i don't think i have a right to tell someone what they should and shouldn't feel like. Its definately a hard one for sure

I guess what i mean is, i don't want to brush someone off with 'oh, he'll get over it' that small problem,could be a big problem for someone else. they are pretty much likely to be depressed for starters.
 
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