Getting N from A. Things everyone should know.

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The Dark Chaos

The Dark Chaos

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I have been talking to several other members here and on another CTB forum about current experiences with A. This is a collection of everything that we have experienced dealing with A currently.

I have talked to 7 other people here who have ordered from A.

First, when ordering from A The expectation is to receive sealed 100ml glass bottles of N. A also gives a timeline of 20 to 25 days. A randomly asks some people for their phone numbers also. Can’t seem to find a rhyme or reason as to who he requests it from.

My order was for two bottles. My order took 19 days. What was immediately odd though was A had told me my order was shipped 17 days before I received it. And when I got the package I realized it was sent 3 days ago. When I opened the package instead of the two sealed 100ml glass N bottles I was expecting, I had two 60ml unsealed plastic bottles. One of which I could immediately smell the chemical smell of the product. I contacted A with these concerns and A replied that the product was good and I had his word. He did not respond to the amount questions, the unsealed questions, or anything else. He has since stopped responding to any of my emails.

Member 2 also ordered two bottles, and received the same as I did. That member also reached out to A with questions and also is not being responded to. This member decided to have the product tested.

Member 3 ordered two bottles. Received one bottle but at least it is the proper 100ml glass bottle. A has promised to send this member another bottle. Will update if it is received.

Member 4 never received their order. A claims it was probably intercepted. There is no way to confirm or deny this of course.

Member 5 ordered one bottle, received one large ( larger than 100ml ) bottle that was partially used, and not properly sealed.

Member 6 is still waiting for delivery. They ordered two bottles and are now at 27 days.

Member 7 ordered two 100ml bottles and received the two 60ml unsealed bottles yet again. One bottle actually leaked in the package due to not being sealed, and was not clear, with particulates in it.

What I have learned that might be key here is that this is not how A operated before October. Since October however many people are very concerned with how A is operating. On the other forum the talks are similar. People getting the unsealed plastic bottles, getting the wrong orders and so forth.

As soon as the member here gets the test results they will be posted by me or them if they want to post it. Several members involved do not want their names used so please do not ask here or in PM as I will not give them out.

My personal advice right now would be to be very cautious, obviously something is very wrong right now. The product could still very well be N, one of the members actually tasted it and said it tasted similar to what would be expected. But, until the test results come back we do not know for sure. Also, be aware that there is no way of knowing what you might receive right now as in quantity, quality, anything. From people I have spoken to from here and the other forum no one has received 2 100ml sealed glass bottles since around the beginning of November.

I do have to say though that if the test comes back positive for N with at least 60mg/ml that would mean that all of us who got the two 60ml bottles would have about 8gm of N. Which is more than enough to peacefully CTB. So we are of course hoping that is the case.

Now, with all the transferred and unsealed product we also have to worry about shelf life. A few of us are researching that and I will update as we learn more.

Another concern is the product being tainted. One member had one bottle that was not clear and appeared to have particulates in it. This is extremely concerning for obvious reasons. I believe that member is having it tested also.

A also stops responding it seems once one gets the product and starts asking questions about their concerns. I have been told by several previous customers that A before November never acted that way. There is a ton of speculation as to why that is, but I will not speculate. I am trying to find the real answers. As I get answers I will update here.

This is all very concerning. This is incredibly serious. I spent every penny I had saved up to get this from A and expected 2 100 ml sealed bottles of N. And I am not alone. We are talking about people counting on A to deliver as promised for people that have gone to him as their means for their final act in life. To find our peace, the way we want to.

I am reporting my experience and findings to EI, as are others.

I promise to update all findings until I CTB myself. Please just use caution for now, I hate that A is the only source that is recommended to us and these things are happening. So I don’t want to tell people not to order because our options are limited, and the product might still be N. We should know soon. But there is a lot wrong right now. So use your own discretion. I just want everyone to have all the information available.

Also, if anyone wants to talk to me about any of this, or their own experience, you can respond here of course or you can PM me if you want. As crazy as it may sound to some, all I want is to help others get to any conclusions we can for others while I am still here.
Thankyou for sharing this information. I have a small request, could you please share a few sites of other CTB forums...
 
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Thenextone

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Hello. Just wanted to give you information on how my order with A went :



I posted here 2 months ago. (if you look at my messages in my profile, you can see it)

Indeed, I ordered from A about 2 months ago. I found A's email adress in the Peaceful Pill pdf that was posted somewhere here.

I received the package 2 to 3 weeks after I sent A the money in BTC.

The delivery guy actually came and didn't deliver it to my house.
Thank god, he left a note inside my mailbox, with instructions on how to "reprogram" the shipment to another day.
I went to the delivery company website , entered my tracking number, and reprogrammed the shipment to a few days later.
A few days later, the delivery guy rings my bell this time, I was really exited about the parcel, I gave him a 20 dollars tip to thank him.

I go up to my room, and open the package, and I found 2 bottles of 100 ml N, perfectly sealed , without any "brand name" on it.
A removed the brand name before shipping. It looks like classic N, and doesn't look like Dolethal.
I threw the package to the recycle bin, and hid my 2 bottles of N in a dark place.

I am ready to CTB whenever my suffering becomes too bad. Hopefully the police won't come and get my bottles, if they do, i'll simply order N again from another adress.

I trust A now.

Through protonmail, A gave me tips on how to drink the N (he told me to add 100 ml of orange juice and advised me to drink the 2 bottles as quickly as I could, he also advised me to use small scissors to open the metal seal)





According to Nitschke, It is now valid for a long time if stored properly :

Philip Nitschke
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Stored properly, Dolethal (and #euthanasia Nembutal in general) shelf life >20yrs - see
@PeacefulPill
Ch 18 'Testing & Storage'​

Note : I am posting this through TOR, I'd like to remain anonymous, even though I gave a lot of informations in this post. Please don't report me to the police , I am not encouraging ANYONE to commit suicide with N. I have health issues, hence my need tor N. I'd like to be able to kill myself peacefully if My health issues get too bad. No one can blame me for this.

Thanks for reading.
 
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Notabadguy

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Hello. Just wanted to give you information on how my order with A went :



I posted here 2 months ago. (if you look at my messages in my profile, you can see it)

Indeed, I ordered from A about 2 months ago. I found A's email adress in the Peaceful Pill pdf that was posted somewhere here.

I received the package 2 to 3 weeks after I sent A the money in BTC.

The delivery guy actually came and didn't deliver it to my house.
Thank god, he left a note inside my mailbox, with instructions on how to "reprogram" the shipment to another day.
I went to the delivery company website (Fedex), entered my tracking number, and reprogrammed the shipment to a few days later.
A few days later, the delivery guy rings my bell this time, I was really exited about the parcel, I gave him a 20 dollars tip to thank him.

I go up to my room, and open the package, and I found 2 bottles of 100 ml N, perfectly sealed , without any "brand name" on it.
A removed the brand name before shipping. It looks like classic N, and doesn't look like Dolethal.
I threw the package to the recycle bin, and hid my 2 bottles of N in a dark place.

I am ready to CTB whenever my suffering becomes too bad. Hopefully the police won't come and get my bottles, if they do, i'll simply order N again from another adress.

I trust A now.

Through protonmail, A gave me tips on how to drink the N (he told me to add 100 ml of orange juice and advised me to drink the 2 bottles as quickly as I could, he also advised me to use small scissors to open the metal seal)





According to Nitschke, It is now valid for a long time if stored properly :

Philip Nitschke
@philipnitschke
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3 mai 2017
Stored properly, Dolethal (and #euthanasia Nembutal in general) shelf life >20yrs - see
@PeacefulPill
Ch 18 'Testing & Storage'​

Note : I am posting this through TOR, I'd like to remain anonymous, even though I gave a lot of informations in this post. Please don't report me to the police , I am not encouraging ANYONE to commit suicide with N. I have health issues, hence my need tor N. I'd like to be able to kill myself peacefully if My health issues get too bad. No one can blame me for this.

Thanks for reading.
If there is not a brand name, how can you be so sure the liquid is N? Does A send the product that way? Is there, at least, an expiraton date?

Are you from USA? I'm from Spain. Are the orders from A being received in Europe?
 
Thenextone

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If there is not a brand name, how can you be so sure the liquid is N? Does A send the product that way? Is there, at least, an expiraton date?

Are you from USA? I'm from Spain. Are the orders from A being received in Europe?
I can't be 100 % sure , but it looks exactly like the N bottles I have seen in the videos of the Peaceful Handbook. Little 100 ml sealed bottles. The package was from MX (MEXICO), I know for sure thanks to the tracking number.

Yes, orders from A are still being received in Europe. You can ask him directly if you want.

EDIT : A told me that the expiration date for the bottle was 2 years. But they can last for longer if you store them properly, according to the expert Philip Nitschke
I forgot to add : A told me that I had to wait 1 week before shipment.
He only sends 5 per week, due to the high amount of orders he gets.
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Looks like this ! without the brand name.
EDIT 2 : they are brown colored, not transparent. But the shape is the same I meant.

Note : This is a screenshot from the video "Peaceful Pill eHandbook 2011-Oct-1/13a Using Nembutal/Opening a Bottle of Nembutal.mp4"
 
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enjolras

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Happy for you. People go like whoa with powder for the taste and lower amount to ingest but A’s liquid always comes at 100% when succesful, and the storage is immediately facilitated for long term, even though hypothetically less stable in the long run (for the theory, since powder’s storage has to be maneuvered)

Can you please precise if your bottles have a scale bumping out the glass ?
 
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Thenextone

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Happy for you. People go like whoa with powder for the taste and lower amount to ingest but A’s liquid always comes at 100% when succesful, and the storage is immediately facilitated for long term, even though hypothetically less stable in the long run (for the theory, since powder’s storage has to be maneuvered)

The expiration date is typically on the labels and packaging ...that are removed.

Can you please precise if your bottles have a scale bumping out the glass ?

edit : errr, your bottles are not brown glass ?
I'm not sure what you mean by " scale bumping out the glass "

Also, yes they are brown, i'll take a picture now
 
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enjolras

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Oh man ! You made my day... you‘re the testimonial I was longing for since months checking here (2019)
 
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Thenextone

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Note : I don't advise anyone to commit suicide. Please see a therapist and explore all possibilities before taking your own life.



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Thenextone

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Yes, I did detach the blue cap.

The blue cap was at the top :
Then below, was a metal seal (which I destroyed using scissors). That metal seal is now in the recycle bin, so you can't see it.
and below that, a "loose" rubber seal (the grey thing you see on the picture)

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enjolras

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Perfect. You didn’t have to remove the metal attachement if no immediate consumption is planned. It keeps locked the rubber stopper from displacement ultimately, although without, it generally sticks well before moved

so, you don’t have a vertical millimeter measurement on the side at all ? The bottle is slick all around ?
 
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Thenextone

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Perfect. You didn’t have to remove the metal attachement if no immediate consumption is planned. It keeps locked the rubber stopper from displacement ultimately, although without, it generally sticks well before moved

so, you don’t have a vertical millimeter measurement on the side at all, anywhere around the bottle ?
I added a picture above to explain.

You are correct, I didn't have to do it , but I was very close to comitting suicide about 3 to 4 weeks ago, and I wanted to it to be removed to feel "free" mentally", if that makes sense, so i removed it.

No , I don't have any vertical millimeter measurement on the side of the brown bottle.

I have found a plastic container with vertical millimeter measurement on the side in my kitchen, and I can pour the 100 ml of N inside, add some orange juice (like A advised me), and CTB that way whenever I feel like it :) I have my "protocol" ready haha.

Note : I don't advise anyone to commit suicide. Please see a therapist and explore all possibilities before taking your own life.
 
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enjolras

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I was only inquiring about the scale because past bottles had one but it seems, based on newer member reports, it’s not the case anymore. Should be genuine nonetheless. The manufacturer might have changed the container

Are you planning a test at EC lab ?

Anyway, you must be relieved, and I’m too. Thanks for sharing your adventure and hope you can see things in a fresh way now
 
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I added a picture above to explain.

You are correct, I didn't have to do it , but I was very close to comitting suicide about 3 to 4 weeks ago, and I wanted to it to be removed to feel "free" mentally", if that makes sense, so i removed it.

No , I don't have any vertical millimeter measurement on the side of the brown bottle.

I have found a plastic container with vertical millimeter measurement on the side in my kitchen, and I can pour the 100 ml of N inside, add some orange juice (like A advised me), and CTB that way whenever I feel like it :) I have my "protocol" ready haha.

Note : I don't advise anyone to commit suicide. Please see a therapist and explore all possibilities before taking your own life.
Thanks for the report. I’m in the US and received the exact same bottles in exact packaging from A in March. My question to you: do you plan on drinking one bottle or two? I was very close to ctb a few weeks ago, stupidly opened a bottle and measured it in a measuring cup. 1 bottle was 110 ml, which I thought was odd. I was planning to drink the 2 bottles to be sure it worked but that is nearly one full cup of vile
Liquid, not 2/3 as 2 x 100ml should be. Interesting about orange juice but it is just ALOT of liquid. I have health issues too - bedridden and body giving up here, need to make a move but hate all of this!
 
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Thenextone

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Please remove your photos. You're not supposed to publicly comment on someone's stealth options! If at the very least, please PM them.
I removed the pictures.
In my opinion, A is legit for now.
Thanks for the report. I’m in the US and received the exact same bottles in exact packaging from A in March. My question to you: do you plan on drinking one bottle or two? I was very close to ctb a few weeks ago, stupidly opened a bottle and measured it in a measuring cup. 1 bottle was 110 ml, which I thought was odd. I was planning to drink the 2 bottles to be sure it worked but that is nearly one full cup of vile
Liquid, not 2/3 as 2 x 100ml should be. Interesting about orange juice but it is just ALOT of liquid. I have health issues too - bedridden and body giving up here, need to make a move but hate all of this!
A advised me 2 bottles. :)


He advised me :

100 ml N + 100 ml orange juice
wait 1-2 min
100 ml N + 100 ml orange juice



I am not planning on testing the N.
It looks a bit more than 100 ml to me aswell, but it's fine


I indeed feel fresh. Ever since I got these bottles, I feel "free".
 
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Busdriver

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Your N got confiscated?
I feel so bad for you :'(
You must feel beyond terrible..
 
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Very emotional right now. Seized. Not charged. Had to convince police I am ok and that I don't need to go to hospital. My head is spinning. Don't even know how to process this right now. Another day in the life of ME - where nothing goes as planned. I am very much a mess over this. Glad police were sympathetic but I just needed this one thing in my life to go right. It is a desperate feeling. Probably shouldn't even be posting this but I feel careless. Going to self induce sleep for a couple of days so I don't have to think. I thought for once I had control over something in my life but now that has been taken from me. I feel heartbroken that this is no longer an option for me.

Edit - From what I was told, A sent what was supposed to be sent. FYI
I’m so sorry! Where do you live and how long did you have it before it was seized?
 
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Notabadguy

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I had everything planned around it. I wanted a non-violent, peaceful option. Feeling hopeless. F my life


I dont want to say where I live but it was seized at customs.
Could you say, if you don't mind, if it was in Europe (I'm from Spain)?
 
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oopswronglife

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I dont want to say where I live but it was seized at customs.
Please just say the country...that cannot hurt you and a lot of people are going to be worried now. We need to know where this is happening and what kind of post etc. Just saying it happened with no info panics people and makes it worse for everyone else.
 
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Seized at customs US. that is all I can say. I have to be careful for myself over others. Everyone is responsible for their own choices. I am giving some info to help people. You can feel free to disregard.
Wow, USA was suppossed to be an easy destination, at least compared with Europe. And they intercepted in the middle of this corona thing. Such bad luck!
 
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oopswronglife

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Seized at customs US. that is all I can say. I have to be careful for myself over others. Everyone is responsible for their own choices. I am giving some info to help people. You can feel free to disregard.
I am just confused because you have said before you are not American and asked about ordering things from Europe I believe. So I dont know if you moved to the USA recently or what. I understand this sucks. I had a failed attempt and am desperate myself too, but just saying "seized" isn't info that helps anyone. It generates fear and panic. Details solve problems...what shipping method...what A said etc. Some people get theirs fast and fine...others report long delays and drama. There have been different shipping methods as well and that might correlate with any seizures. I have no idea whats going on with A because of the lack of details...so many mixed experiences and random issues. Everything is so hard.
 
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Those of your recieving your N are you in the US? Or another country. I'ver read on here that DHS is intercepting in the US
Can you reference the place you read about intercepting in the US? I am not in the US but I am sure it has to travel through the US to get to me.

Oh, and did you mean DHL?
FYI. For clarification

Speculation: Canada??
 
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It's so confusing because of inconsistency. I understand people not wanting to expose themselves...I understand the desperation as I am desperate...I don't know how to get answers or why its so difficult now compared to the past.
 
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I removed the pictures.
In my opinion, A is legit for now.

A advised me 2 bottles. :)


He advised me :

100 ml N + 100 ml orange juice
wait 1-2 min
100 ml N + 100 ml orange juice



I am not planning on testing the N.
It looks a bit more than 100 ml to me aswell, but it's fine


I indeed feel fresh. Ever since I got these bottles, I feel "free".
Can you possibly say what country you are from? Put it in a spoiler and only members can see.
It's so confusing because of inconsistency. I understand people not wanting to expose themselves...I understand the desperation as I am desperate...I don't know how to get answers or why its so difficult now compared to the past.
All you have to do typically is look at a posters previous posts. I think member is now concerned about privacy on this site and limiting conversation. It’s understandable after you have police show up at your door. According to the pph there is jail time and up to $1M fine for possession of N without a license in the US... i don’t how true that is but it was enough to scare me from trying unfortunately. Also @Thenextone also states they ordered N from C at the same time as A and is yet to receive anything from C, in case anyone missed that. We know someone recently (March) received N from A in the US. I think the “seized” case could be bcuz it was moving through the US but not it’s destination? Also could just be pure luck?
 
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