Getting N from A. Things everyone should know.

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Ark

Master
Oct 18, 2019
415
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I have been talking to several other members here and on another CTB forum about current experiences with A. This is a collection of everything that we have experienced dealing with A currently.

I have talked to 7 other people here who have ordered from A.

First, when ordering from A The expectation is to receive sealed 100ml glass bottles of N. A also gives a timeline of 20 to 25 days. A randomly asks some people for their phone numbers also. Can’t seem to find a rhyme or reason as to who he requests it from.

My order was for two bottles. My order took 19 days. What was immediately odd though was A had told me my order was shipped 17 days before I received it. And when I got the package I realized it was sent 3 days ago. When I opened the package instead of the two sealed 100ml glass N bottles I was expecting, I had two 60ml unsealed plastic bottles. One of which I could immediately smell the chemical smell of the product. I contacted A with these concerns and A replied that the product was good and I had his word. He did not respond to the amount questions, the unsealed questions, or anything else. He has since stopped responding to any of my emails.

Member 2 also ordered two bottles, and received the same as I did. That member also reached out to A with questions and also is not being responded to. This member decided to have the product tested.

Member 3 ordered two bottles. Received one bottle but at least it is the proper 100ml glass bottle. A has promised to send this member another bottle. Will update if it is received.

Member 4 never received their order. A claims it was probably intercepted. There is no way to confirm or deny this of course.

Member 5 ordered one bottle, received one large ( larger than 100ml ) bottle that was partially used, and not properly sealed.

Member 6 is still waiting for delivery. They ordered two bottles and are now at 27 days.

Member 7 ordered two 100ml bottles and received the two 60ml unsealed bottles yet again. One bottle actually leaked in the package due to not being sealed, and was not clear, with particulates in it.

What I have learned that might be key here is that this is not how A operated before October. Since October however many people are very concerned with how A is operating. On the other forum the talks are similar. People getting the unsealed plastic bottles, getting the wrong orders and so forth.

As soon as the member here gets the test results they will be posted by me or them if they want to post it. Several members involved do not want their names used so please do not ask here or in PM as I will not give them out.

My personal advice right now would be to be very cautious, obviously something is very wrong right now. The product could still very well be N, one of the members actually tasted it and said it tasted similar to what would be expected. But, until the test results come back we do not know for sure. Also, be aware that there is no way of knowing what you might receive right now as in quantity, quality, anything. From people I have spoken to from here and the other forum no one has received 2 100ml sealed glass bottles since around the beginning of November.

I do have to say though that if the test comes back positive for N with at least 60mg/ml that would mean that all of us who got the two 60ml bottles would have about 8gm of N. Which is more than enough to peacefully CTB. So we are of course hoping that is the case.

Now, with all the transferred and unsealed product we also have to worry about shelf life. A few of us are researching that and I will update as we learn more.

Another concern is the product being tainted. One member had one bottle that was not clear and appeared to have particulates in it. This is extremely concerning for obvious reasons. I believe that member is having it tested also.

A also stops responding it seems once one gets the product and starts asking questions about their concerns. I have been told by several previous customers that A before November never acted that way. There is a ton of speculation as to why that is, but I will not speculate. I am trying to find the real answers. As I get answers I will update here.

This is all very concerning. This is incredibly serious. I spent every penny I had saved up to get this from A and expected 2 100 ml sealed bottles of N. And I am not alone. We are talking about people counting on A to deliver as promised for people that have gone to him as their means for their final act in life. To find our peace, the way we want to.

I am reporting my experience and findings to EI, as are others.

I promise to update all findings until I CTB myself. Please just use caution for now, I hate that A is the only source that is recommended to us and these things are happening. So I don’t want to tell people not to order because our options are limited, and the product might still be N. We should know soon. But there is a lot wrong right now. So use your own discretion. I just want everyone to have all the information available.

Also, if anyone wants to talk to me about any of this, or their own experience, you can respond here of course or you can PM me if you want. As crazy as it may sound to some, all I want is to help others get to any conclusions we can for others while I am still here.
 
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Ark

Master
Oct 18, 2019
415
1,398
Just heard from another member. Never got their order and A has stopped responding to them.

I also forgot to add that A ( Besides weekends) Is very responsive until after payment is received. And, very rarely seems to respond on weekends regardless of order status.
 
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aramir

Member
Dec 13, 2019
66
226
I don't know what's going on right now. but maybe someone is doing something to the sources mentioned in this website. a source for SN that was talked about recently unlisted most of their products on the market website and another source for meto also disappeared. it's kinda scary.
 
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Berlin76

Wizard
Aug 18, 2019
671
1,148
I have been talking to several other members here and on another CTB forum about current experiences with A. This is a collection of everything that we have experienced dealing with A currently.

I have talked to 7 other people here who have ordered from A.

First, when ordering from A The expectation is to receive sealed 100ml glass bottles of N. A also gives a timeline of 20 to 25 days. A randomly asks some people for their phone numbers also. Can’t seem to find a rhyme or reason as to who he requests it from.

My order was for two bottles. My order took 19 days. What was immediately odd though was A had told me my order was shipped 17 days before I received it. And when I got the package I realized it was sent 3 days ago. When I opened the package instead of the two sealed 100ml glass N bottles I was expecting, I had two 60ml unsealed plastic bottles. One of which I could immediately smell the chemical smell of the product. I contacted A with these concerns and A replied that the product was good and I had his word. He did not respond to the amount questions, the unsealed questions, or anything else. He has since stopped responding to any of my emails.

Member 2 also ordered two bottles, and received the same as I did. That member also reached out to A with questions and also is not being responded to. This member decided to have the product tested.

Member 3 ordered two bottles. Received one bottle but at least it is the proper 100ml glass bottle. A has promised to send this member another bottle. Will update if it is received.

Member 4 never received their order. A claims it was probably intercepted. There is no way to confirm or deny this of course.

Member 5 ordered one bottle, received one large ( larger than 100ml ) bottle that was partially used, and not properly sealed.

Member 6 is still waiting for delivery. They ordered two bottles and are now at 27 days.

Member 7 ordered two 100ml bottles and received the two 60ml unsealed bottles yet again. One bottle actually leaked in the package due to not being sealed, and was not clear, with particulates in it.

What I have learned that might be key here is that this is not how A operated before October. Since October however many people are very concerned with how A is operating. On the other forum the talks are similar. People getting the unsealed plastic bottles, getting the wrong orders and so forth.

As soon as the member here gets the test results they will be posted by me or them if they want to post it. Several members involved do not want their names used so please do not ask here or in PM as I will not give them out.

My personal advice right now would be to be very cautious, obviously something is very wrong right now. The product could still very well be N, one of the members actually tasted it and said it tasted similar to what would be expected. But, until the test results come back we do not know for sure. Also, be aware that there is no way of knowing what you might receive right now as in quantity, quality, anything. From people I have spoken to from here and the other forum no one has received 2 100ml sealed glass bottles since around the beginning of November.

I do have to say though that if the test comes back positive for N with at least 60mg/ml that would mean that all of us who got the two 60ml bottles would have about 8gm of N. Which is more than enough to peacefully CTB. So we are of course hoping that is the case.

Now, with all the transferred and unsealed product we also have to worry about shelf life. A few of us are researching that and I will update as we learn more.

Another concern is the product being tainted. One member had one bottle that was not clear and appeared to have particulates in it. This is extremely concerning for obvious reasons. I believe that member is having it tested also.

A also stops responding it seems once one gets the product and starts asking questions about their concerns. I have been told by several previous customers that A before November never acted that way. There is a ton of speculation as to why that is, but I will not speculate. I am trying to find the real answers. As I get answers I will update here.

This is all very concerning. This is incredibly serious. I spent every penny I had saved up to get this from A and expected 2 100 ml sealed bottles of N. And I am not alone. We are talking about people counting on A to deliver as promised for people that have gone to him as their means for their final act in life. To find our peace, the way we want to.

I am reporting my experience and findings to EI, as are others.

I promise to update all findings until I CTB myself. Please just use caution for now, I hate that A is the only source that is recommended to us and these things are happening. So I don’t want to tell people not to order because our options are limited, and the product might still be N. We should know soon. But there is a lot wrong right now. So use your own discretion. I just want everyone to have all the information available.

Also, if anyone wants to talk to me about any of this, or their own experience, you can respond here of course or you can PM me if you want. As crazy as it may sound to some, all I want is to help others get to any conclusions we can for others while I am still here.
I can understand why he repackage the product. Its because everybody keeps talking out and in the open for every law enforcement here to see and read how he packs the product. Thats why he no longer send the original products. Because since june people have been raided and he is also in risk of being arrested because every body keeps talking about every small detail so law enforcement again have a easy job seizing more products.

I wont be surprised if A stops for good in the next months
 
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Ark

Master
Oct 18, 2019
415
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@Imtrying21

They were not all from the same country. I will not go into specifics though.

@Berlin76

Are you seriously defending A taking a sterile product, opening it, repacking it into smaller bottles, without telling his customers? Not only that but you are basically blaming the people on this forum for his behavior with the most ridiculous stuff on top of it! You should really consider what you just said, it was insulting and honestly a bit infuriating.
 
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Berlin76

Wizard
Aug 18, 2019
671
1,148
@Imtrying21

They were not all from the same country. I will not go into specifics though.

@Berlin76

Are you seriously defending A taking a sterile product, opening it, repacking it into smaller bottles, without telling his customers? Not only that but you are basically blaming the people on this forum for his behavior with the most ridiculous stuff on top of it! You should really consider what you just said, it was insulting and honestly a bit infuriating.
I know it is not sterile anymore after he repackage it. Also it wont be good as long as normal because it was opened.
But he has no other option because of all the raids.

But yeah people here really talk to much about every little detail about shipment and packaging you can't deny that.
I really don't get why people do that.
 
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Ark

Master
Oct 18, 2019
415
1,398
Since making this thread I have been contacted by several members. First I want to say I am not ignoring anyone or their situation, I promise. I need to research and verify some things before I add them to this thread. I hope everyone understands that.

Secondly, and anyone considering N ( or buying anything else in the same lines for that matter ) PLEASE READ THIS NEXT PART!

If anyone on this site, or anywhere online recommends you to an email address to buy N please, please, please do your research! On here, in the resources, in the PPH, everything! I have talked to a few people who have been scammed now and it infuriated me to an extent that’s I can not describe. Read the rules here, no one is allowed to sell or offer to sell ANYTHING! 2 people now have sent me emails that they were told by others belonged to A that DO NOT. You have to protect yourself. Don’t just trust someone because they have a lot of posts or something. Do the research to find the info. Please.
 
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realjunes

Elementalist
Oct 1, 2019
734
1,370
I have been talking to several other members here and on another CTB forum about current experiences with A. This is a collection of everything that we have experienced dealing with A currently.

I have talked to 7 other people here who have ordered from A.

First, when ordering from A The expectation is to receive sealed 100ml glass bottles of N. A also gives a timeline of 20 to 25 days. A randomly asks some people for their phone numbers also. Can’t seem to find a rhyme or reason as to who he requests it from.

My order was for two bottles. My order took 19 days. What was immediately odd though was A had told me my order was shipped 17 days before I received it. And when I got the package I realized it was sent 3 days ago. When I opened the package instead of the two sealed 100ml glass N bottles I was expecting, I had two 60ml unsealed plastic bottles. One of which I could immediately smell the chemical smell of the product. I contacted A with these concerns and A replied that the product was good and I had his word. He did not respond to the amount questions, the unsealed questions, or anything else. He has since stopped responding to any of my emails.

Member 2 also ordered two bottles, and received the same as I did. That member also reached out to A with questions and also is not being responded to. This member decided to have the product tested.

Member 3 ordered two bottles. Received one bottle but at least it is the proper 100ml glass bottle. A has promised to send this member another bottle. Will update if it is received.

Member 4 never received their order. A claims it was probably intercepted. There is no way to confirm or deny this of course.

Member 5 ordered one bottle, received one large ( larger than 100ml ) bottle that was partially used, and not properly sealed.

Member 6 is still waiting for delivery. They ordered two bottles and are now at 27 days.

Member 7 ordered two 100ml bottles and received the two 60ml unsealed bottles yet again. One bottle actually leaked in the package due to not being sealed, and was not clear, with particulates in it.

What I have learned that might be key here is that this is not how A operated before October. Since October however many people are very concerned with how A is operating. On the other forum the talks are similar. People getting the unsealed plastic bottles, getting the wrong orders and so forth.

As soon as the member here gets the test results they will be posted by me or them if they want to post it. Several members involved do not want their names used so please do not ask here or in PM as I will not give them out.

My personal advice right now would be to be very cautious, obviously something is very wrong right now. The product could still very well be N, one of the members actually tasted it and said it tasted similar to what would be expected. But, until the test results come back we do not know for sure. Also, be aware that there is no way of knowing what you might receive right now as in quantity, quality, anything. From people I have spoken to from here and the other forum no one has received 2 100ml sealed glass bottles since around the beginning of November.

I do have to say though that if the test comes back positive for N with at least 60mg/ml that would mean that all of us who got the two 60ml bottles would have about 8gm of N. Which is more than enough to peacefully CTB. So we are of course hoping that is the case.

Now, with all the transferred and unsealed product we also have to worry about shelf life. A few of us are researching that and I will update as we learn more.

Another concern is the product being tainted. One member had one bottle that was not clear and appeared to have particulates in it. This is extremely concerning for obvious reasons. I believe that member is having it tested also.

A also stops responding it seems once one gets the product and starts asking questions about their concerns. I have been told by several previous customers that A before November never acted that way. There is a ton of speculation as to why that is, but I will not speculate. I am trying to find the real answers. As I get answers I will update here.

This is all very concerning. This is incredibly serious. I spent every penny I had saved up to get this from A and expected 2 100 ml sealed bottles of N. And I am not alone. We are talking about people counting on A to deliver as promised for people that have gone to him as their means for their final act in life. To find our peace, the way we want to.

I am reporting my experience and findings to EI, as are others.

I promise to update all findings until I CTB myself. Please just use caution for now, I hate that A is the only source that is recommended to us and these things are happening. So I don’t want to tell people not to order because our options are limited, and the product might still be N. We should know soon. But there is a lot wrong right now. So use your own discretion. I just want everyone to have all the information available.

Also, if anyone wants to talk to me about any of this, or their own experience, you can respond here of course or you can PM me if you want. As crazy as it may sound to some, all I want is to help others get to any conclusions we can for others while I am still here.
This is a very important topic with valuable information that needs to be read and considered.
 
★†DaughterOfEve†★

★†DaughterOfEve†★

Another pharma destroyed life :(
Nov 24, 2019
128
138
So is A definitely no longer trustworthy to buy from? & Is going abroad not an option anymore? This is such a nightmare for me.
:( :,(
 
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Ark

Master
Oct 18, 2019
415
1,398
The only things that are definite are, 1. People are not getting what they expected to get. 2. A will not answer questions regarding the issues. 3. Most ( please notice the “most” here ) are getting something and it is being tested. 4. If it is N and of the right strength, minimum 60mg/ml, it will still be enough to peacefully CTB. 5. There are obvious concerns about shelf life and it being sterile. A few of us are working on answers to those questions also.
 
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aramir

Member
Dec 13, 2019
66
226
Neither SN or meto are illegal or even controlled narcotics like N is. Please do not scare monger. There are numerous legitimate explanations why SN and meto sources may no longer be available and those reasons have been addressed elsewhere on this website and are entirely unrelated to the topic of this thread.
It's not about being illegal if authorities figure out that a source is being used for suicide by a lot of people they can stop them from selling their products. I'm not scare mongering I just said that some sources I know of disappeared after they were talked about here which is a fact that was observed by other people here
 
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jgm63

Angelic
Oct 28, 2019
2,432
3,856
Just to add some side notes for people who may not be aware....
"bob" who is mentioned in the PPH apparently no longer sells (and is removed in more recent editions)
"domingo" also mentioned in the PPH does not appear to have a good reputation. If you do a search on this site, a number of people claim to have been scammed (although in situations like this you always have to judge who has posted those claims and whether they are trustworthy, so it can be a tricky).

It's not about being illegal if authorities figure out that a source is being used for suicide by a lot of people they can stop them from selling their products. I'm not scare mongering I just said that some sources I know of disappeared after they were talked about here which is a fact that was observed by other people here
Keep in mind that not all listings on marketplaces stay up all the time.
Suppliers often run out of things, take their listing offline for a week or two, then put the listing back when they have restocked....
So we should avoid jumping to premature conclusions.... (I don't know the specifics of this case and whether anyone has judged prematurely on this occasion).

If listings disappear for a month or longer, then that might be a different matter, but we should still try to assess things objectively.
Of course, it is always wise for people to "stock up" on supplies if possible/practical, just in case things become harder to obtain...
 
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jgm63

Angelic
Oct 28, 2019
2,432
3,856
On the scamming topic, there's a balance to be struck though, isn't there ?
Otherwise if someone does discover a genuine source, and attempts to share it, there will be an immediate cry of "scammer".

If someone posts something on a thread that sounds like they might be hinting at a source, etc, then there could be a standard warning message, such as :
"WARNING TO ALL : THIS MIGHT BE A SCAM, PROCEED WITH EXTREME CAUTION <etc>", along with a link to a checklist of some things to look out for that might indicate higher probability of a scam.

So we try to educate people and advise them to be aware of the risks.
We can also offer views on how high we feel the risk is for any particular case.

But I think that categorically calling every new possible source a scam is wrong.
Each case is unique, and it depends upon what red flags apply to that case....
 
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Idorus

Master
Apr 30, 2018
420
1,348
Exit´s (pph) entire foundation depends on its N sources so it will move mountains to get trustworthy ones. We can definitely not trust ANY other source!
 
BPD_LE

BPD_LE

The Queen of Meme
Aug 11, 2019
1,582
5,092
From my point of view, it's simple. If you don't want to be accused of being a scammer. Don't give out sources! It may seem harsh but tough! Members need to take charge of their own destiny, do their own research on sources and methods. Make their own decisions. Isn't that what this forum is about?