FIRST EVER SN DOCUMENTATION

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notjustyetagain

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extremely brave, selfless, and generous (i.e. typical) of @Moonicide and @Lotus1818. all my thoughts/feelings can be condensed to thank you, sorry, and :heart:.

i hope you take as long as you need to process your experience and find some acceptance, strength, or whatever it is you're looking for during your break, @Lotus1818.
 
Quarky00

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I don't see what makes meto THE antiemetic choice. Stan listed a bunch of AEs
All dopamine . Ondansetron isn't . That was the point :) Each of the 6 listed is fine ...
That said, meto preferred as it targets 5HT3 as well, and not just dopamine –
TL;DR version: Domperidone + Ondansetron (Zofran) = meto. Without the side effects too.
Ineed 15% for 1 dose over 72h is little.... But regimen is x6 doses and over 48h. It adds up.

the only benefit of the 2 day or 48 hr regimen over stat dose is lower EPS risk
You've replied jgm63, but not just EPS, some had terrible migraines, others knocked out (completely fell asleep), etc . Tolerance. PPH for old fragile people. This may lower many side effects for some. Not making a judgment, stat is a good option for many.
 
essieni

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Take sn and lie down, don't people know what reflux vomiting is...
 
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HelensNepenthe

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f.y.i. 3.5/10 was written, not 3.5/5
The post initially read "3.5/5". I'm not stupid. Look at the first page where someone else called this out to me. OP kindly updated the post with a clarification.
 
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jgm63

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The post initially read "3.5/5". I'm not stupid. Look at the first page where someone else called this out to me. OP kindly updated the post with a clarification.
Yes, I thought that may have been a timing/correction thing, but wasn't sure.
I didn't accuse you of being stupid.
My comment was mainly just to reclarify for other readers of the thread.
Because people tend to panic in general about SN peacefulness, I wanted to make sure people got the right info.
Sometimes we don't always reread all posts in the thread, so sometimes information may get repeated.

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HereToday

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The overall impression I get is still that it is fairly peaceful.
Yes, there is likely to be some discomfort, but the discomfort level doesn't sound that bad or seem to last very long.
But obviously, everyone has to decide for themselves....
I'm fine with discomfort but gasping for air is on a whole different level for me. It's strange this is the first time it's mentioned. If she was conscious during that moment, that sounds horrific. Hopefully she wasn't
 
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JSauter

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I'm fine with discomfort but gasping for air is on a whole different level for me. It's strange this is the first time it's mentioned. If she was conscious during that moment, that sounds horrific. Hopefully she wasn't
There's a video of Michael Marin, a man who was accused of insurance fraud, taking cyanide in court after he was found guilty. At some point before he passes out he goes into this horrific episode of snorting, choking, and violent shaking and he is most certainly conscious through the event. I hope SN doesn't produce that. What's troubling is that there was a canister of potassium cyanide found in his car - the same potassium cyanide that the PPH considers a "peaceful pill". Does this look peaceful to you?


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I hope SN is not like this.
 
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HereToday

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There's a video of Michael Marin, a man who was accused of insurance fraud, taking cyanide in court after he was found guilty. At some point before he passes out he goes into this horrific episode of snorting, choking, and violent shaking and he is most certainly conscious through the event. I hope SN doesn't produce that. What's troubling is that there was a canister of potassium cyanide found in his car - the same potassium cyanide that the PPH considers a "peaceful pill". Does this look peaceful to you?


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I hope SN is not like this.
That's horrific, I can't even imagine going through that while conscious. Up until now we'd been told with SN, you pass out first and don't feel anything. If that's not the case I wouldn't really consider it a peaceful method, or at least not as peaceful as we previously thought. I'd rather jump than suffocate while conscious. I'm really rethinking this method now as I was going to use it in a few days
 
peacefullpainless

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I'm fine with discomfort but gasping for air is on a whole different level for me. It's strange this is the first time it's mentioned. If she was conscious during that moment, that sounds horrific. Hopefully she wasn't
If she was unconscious then she never felt anything even if her body was gasping for air. But i see your point we don't know if she was conscious. Here in this video is absolute video proof of how painLess the nitrogen method is so I'm looking to engineer my own nitrogen method for my suicide. If I can't get my nitrogen method to be 95%+ certain death for me then I'll go for SN .
 
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JSauter

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That's horrific, I can't even imagine going through that while conscious. Up until now we'd been told with SN, you pass out first and don't feel anything. If that's not the case I wouldn't really consider it a peaceful method, or at least not as peaceful as we previously thought. I'd rather jump than suffocate while conscious. I'm really rethinking this method now as I was going to use it in a few days
Right. But to be clear, I'm not sure if SN produces the same effect.
 
Jean4

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So based on your notes, the only benefit of the 2 day or 48 hr regimen over stat dose is lower EPS risk, besides mental preparation that some people need. There shouldn't be a significantly lower vomiting risk with the 48 hr regimen based on the pharmacokinetics of meto, which is in line with what you wrote.


If 85% of orally administered meto appears in the urine within 72 hrs, sure the other 15% still remains in the body and there's accumulation to a small degree. Good point on a big single dose may be harsh for certain people, which leads to the question "why does it have to be meto as the AE of choice?"

I don't see what makes meto THE antiemetic choice. Stan listed a bunch of AEs and the PPH listed a bunch of AEs that can also work with the SN method, though both Stan and PPH used meto in their step by step guides. Many people talk about meto as if it's the only AE choice. I did find research articles that suggest meto speeds up the absorption of certain chemicals in the duodenum, which could potentially speed up SN death - the question is by how much.

There had been a discussion of meto (Reglan) vs Ondansetron (Zofran) on this forum before. It's pretty useful. If I can't decide a winner, seems like a good idea to take both.

Regarding fasting, this section is copied and pasted from Stan's SN guide: " Fasting is strongly recommended. Some people have medical conditions that mean fasting has a negative effect on them. Sources say that 8 hours is needed. I would suggest individuals know their own metabolism better than a book. If you know that your stomach feels empty after 4 hours, then I suggest you have a 4 hour fast. Try to avoid eating anything large and heavy. Avoid drinking anything two hours prior to drinking the SN." I would suggest the same as Stan suggested - fast as long as it's needed for your stomach to empty, but perhaps not much longer than that.

Not feeling well how? Physically or emotionally?

Stan did the stat dose, right?

It must have been extremely difficult on you given how close you were to him. I'm so sorry for your loss.
Sorry. Just seeing this now.

We were eating dinner and he wouldn’t eat. He made up that he wasn’t feeling well to cover for the fact he wasn’t eating.

Emotionally, he was ‘off.’ Sad, depressed. I noticed and thought he was just having a episode of depression. In actuality, he was saying his goodbye to me, which was causing his sadness.

Stan did a Stat. He made more than one glass. It still haunts me honestly when he wrote “making a few glasses - will drink them till the job is done - no coming back, no failure.”

I could tell by his writing that he was at peace with his decision the way Moon was. :)
 
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@Lotus1818 Thank you for this. If you ever need anyone to talk to, feel free to message me. I know this must be difficult to process.

I also doubt meto is the strongest antiemetic. I know in the USA, Zofran (ondansetron) is the first line of treatment for nausea and vomiting from food poisoning. If you think about it, drinking SN is a type of food poisoning - your stomach tries to empty what it identifies as poison. I've taken both meto and ondansetron. Meto mostly speeds up stomach emptying for me, whereas ondansetron really helps with nausea and vomiting. I think people should try several different antiemetics and see which one works best for them. Antiemetic doesn't seem to be "one size fits all."
That stomach emptying effect is precisely why Meto is preferred. It helps quickly move the SN to the intestines to be absorbed faster.

I take Zofran daily. I was discussing it with someone and they suggested I take both Meto and Zofran for this.

I don't find that one is stronger than the other, for what it's worth. They work differently. Sometimes my Zofran doesn't keep me from vomiting, so they give me Meto and that does.
 
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Throwawaysoul

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Thanks for the write up. I have everything for the SN method, but the gasping and saying "fuck fuck" has me concerned. I wonder why she was saying that. Gasping doesn't sound peaceful to me either. I think I'm now going to try and seek N or fent first.
 
TowerUpright

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Thank you for sharing.

I'm a bit put off by the loud noises. I was planning on taking SN in a hotel room, but if i'm making loud groaning noises, someone might be alerted and try to interupt me.
People tend to ignore loud groaning sounds in a hotel room. Especially, if there is a do not disturb sign on the door.
 
Skyview

Skyview

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Many people on here concerned with Moonie gasping for air and saying fuck fuck fuck , I believe legal euthanasia use sedatives (IV) along with N to ease any suffering . Has anyone documented one of our members taking N without sedatives to see what occurs , you may be unconscious but someone observing may see something such as Moonies reaction. PPeH states N and SN to be peaceful, if so , was it under controlled conditions. We don’t have that luxury so , pick your poison!
 
WhyIsLife56

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Reading through all these comments about how gasping for breath is so painful but I'm coming to the conclusion that I'd still want to go through with this method. Cause it means you know you're dying. With any kind of method, it's better to expect some pain than nothing cause death, or the dying process, in this case isn't necessarily supposed to be painless either.
 
HereToday

HereToday

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Anyone who's concerned about this method possibly involving some suffering after all, as I am, may want to look into benzos. My new plan is to take some benzos first, then when they start to kick in I'll drink the SN. Hopefully then I'll be guaranteed to fall asleep and not suffer
 
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Duk3_0f_3ll1ngt0n

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Couldn't you just combine this entire method with a crap load of sleeping pills ahead of time, something to knock you out? And I thought I read somewhere that by doing the 48 hour method, that vomitting may be more common, and that the preferred method was the do it over a couple hours one.
 
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jgm63

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Thank you for sharing.

I'm a bit put off by the loud noises. I was planning on taking SN in a hotel room, but if i'm making loud groaning noises, someone might be alerted and try to interupt me.
Well, putting the television on may help, to create some background noise...
 
k75

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I have a theory about vomiting. Is it possible vomiting in late stages of SN poisoning is common, only we don't know because it's not usually witnessed or unable to be reported?

This doesn't mean antiemetics aren't necessary. They probably keep you from vomiting long enough to absorb the SN, and the reason you can still die after is you're just throwing up the leftover water and stomach juices.

Just a thought...
 
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jgm63

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Couldn't you just combine this entire method with a crap load of sleeping pills ahead of time, something to knock you out? And I thought I read somewhere that by doing the 48 hour method, that vomitting may be more common, and that the preferred method was the do it over a couple hours one.
People tend to say the opposite - that the 48 hour method might be better, but I haven't seen real evidence to back that up.
The 48 hour method may reduce EPS risk, although some people don't like the more drawn out process.

Notes here :
 
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nitrogen

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That said, meto preferred as it targets 5HT3 as well, and not just dopamine
To add more to what you wrote, besides being a potent dopamine receptor antagonist, meto only becomes a non-selective 5HT3 receptor antagonist at very high dosage; whereas ondansetron being a selective 5HT3 antagonist is highly specific for the 5HT3 receptor. In other words, meto is not as potent a 5HT3 antagonist as ondansetron. If I have to pick one, meto does seem more suitable. However, it looks like the maximum antiemetic effect can be achieved by combining meto and ondansetron.

I take Zofran daily. I was discussing it with someone and they suggested I take both Meto and Zofran (ondansetron) for this.

I don't find that one is stronger than the other, for what it's worth. They work differently. Sometimes my Zofran doesn't keep me from vomiting, so they give me Meto and that does.
I reached the conclusion in post #59 of this thread that I'd take both meto and Zofran for ctb through drinking SN. The protocol that the Canadian Association of MAiD Assessors & Providers recommends taking both meto and ondansetron as an antiemetic regimen before inducing coma - I don't see why not for SN purpose.
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Skyview

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I have a theory about vomiting. Is it possible vomiting in late stages of SN poisoning is common, only we don't know because it's not usually witnessed or unable to be reported?

This doesn't mean antiemetics aren't necessary. They probably keep you from vomiting long enough to absorb the SN, and the reason you can still die after is you're just throwing up the leftover water and stomach juices.

Just a thought...
Good point .
If I remember it’s mentioned that vomiting COULD occur in some but not all which is strange since you just drank poison and your body reacts by emptying your stomach , is it down to antiemetics and do they react differently with each person . I don’t know and not being rude , I don’t think anyone has a definitive answer .
 
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Good point .
If I remember it’s mentioned that vomiting COULD occur in some but not all which is strange since you just drank poison and your body reacts by emptying your stomach , is it down to antiemetics and do they react differently with each person . I don’t know and not being rude , I don’t think anyone has a definitive answer .
I'm just thinking people might decide it doesn't matter if we take them or not, but I think that's the wrong takeaway. Could be they're doing the job perfectly, just it's a slightly different job.
 
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I'm just thinking people might decide it doesn't matter if we take them or not, but I think that's the wrong takeaway. Could be they're doing the job perfectly, just it's a slightly different job.
Yes , totally agree .
 
lunarpoppies420

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RIP Moonie. Thank you for this documentation
 
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angie

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I really hope she didn't suffer while she was gasping for air. I'm rethinking this method now
Thanks for this info lotus very brave of you to do that . much appreciated by many i’m sure . I was thinking about perhaps going the SN method since lots of people have had success with it . but reading the details has me wavering about the method . it doesn’t seem that peaceful as opposed to how i thought it would be . the burning throat . stomache bit scares me . but as i say the post will give people a realistic idea of how it is .
 
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Thanks for this info lotus very brave of you to do that . much appreciated by many i’m sure . I was thinking about perhaps going the SN method since lots of people have had success with it . but reading the details has me wavering about the method . it doesn’t seem that peaceful as opposed to how i thought it would be . the burning throat . stomache bit scares me . but as i say the post will give people a realistic idea of how it is .
@angie I thought you had already decided upon your method... Just wondered what was causing you to reconsider ?
(Feel free to PM me if you prefer not to discuss here....)
 
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