Do you trust SN?

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thrwaway99

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Like the topic says, do you think SN is reliable? Would you ctb via SN? Why/why not?

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I’m using SN and I think it’s safe to say it’s fairly reliable when carried out properly. Your body also reverses the process so you don’t end up with brain damage if you’re unsuccessful.

The main reason people seem to fail is throwing up from not using an anti emetic (Metoclopramide/Domperidone). If you add Tagamet or Ranitidine it helps improve success rates too by increasing how quickly the SN absorbs.

The main problems I see with this method is the lethal dose is variable to the individual which is why 15-20g or even 20-25g is suggested and having adverse reactions to anti emetics makes the regimen hard for some people
 
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I’m using SN and I think it’s safe to say it’s fairly reliable when carried out properly.

The main reason people seem to fail is throwing up from not using an anti emetic (Metoclopramide/Domperidone). If you add Tagamet or Ranitidine it helps improve success rates too by increasing how quickly the SN absorbs.

The main problems I see with this method is the lethal dose is variable to the individual which is why 15-20g or even 20-25g is suggested and having adverse reactions to anti emetics makes the regimen hard for some people
Reading the various claims of unsuccessful SN attempts, main reasons seem to be (as you say) vomiting, failing to take a proper dose, being found before death has occurred, and changes of mind/calling emergency services. That's if the reports can all be believed.

Another problem that I personally envisage is maintaining determination over the 48 hour regimen. My sense of purpose switchbacks violently, and what I feel like at 8 a.m. on a Monday may very well not be the same as how I feel at 8 a.m. on Wednesday.
Maybe I should consider dose statum, but the balance of evidence and experience indicates that Regimen 48 is a more effective choice.
 
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Another problem that I personally envisage is maintaining determination over the 48 hour regimen. My sense of purpose switchbacks violently, and what I feel like at 8 a.m. on a Monday may very well not be the same as how I feel at 8 a.m. on Wednesday.
Maybe I should consider dose statum, but the balance of evidence and experience indicates that Regimen 48 is a more effective choice.
Ditto. Stat dose can be done within an hour while you're still in the mood to ctb (and it's the original method in PPeH), but all this talk about regimen makes me question stat dose. I wonder if a stat dose of meto blocks vomiting. At Dignitas they use stat dose, but N is less likely to cause one to vomit on the other hand.
 
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You make some good points Roger; I feel exactly the same about the regimen unfortunately. I want to do it but it seems much easier to be able to just decide when you want to take the SN than pre-plan it two days in advance.

I’ve still wondered if the regimens last dose is supposed to be at 48 hours or if you have one last dose 8 hours after that or on the day. Also seems to be people taking 20-30mg as a last dose on the regimen so some clarification would be good
 
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I’m going this route since I don’t know if A is coming back so I could order N.

I have the SN, meto, and Tagamet. Just not sure if I should take the meto for 48 hours prior or just one dose before ingesting the SN. Thoughts?
 
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someone did a research on meto accumulation in here. after a 48-hour 10mg regimen, it turns out to be the same as taking a stat dose of 15mg, which is probably too little and that is why the last dose is increased. the "standard" regime has been pronounced several times here. given that most who followed the regime were successful, it is recommended. the method is based on individuality. for examples (I don't remember all the details): member was overweight and took 60mg last meto dose (regimen?) and 30g SN..member,media girl, incorrectly took meto in regimen, last dose was 60mg and I think 20g SN..member only took acid reducer and painkillers before SN..guy from Belgium followed regime with PROTON PUMP INHIBITOR, four hours before SN took 20mg of domperidone and two hours after that another 40mg..member who was on an incomplete regimen with a reduced recommended dose of meto, acid reducer and only 10g of SN. everyone left. rest in peace...research for ourselves and adapt that to our own organism.
 
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I’m going this route since I don’t know if A is coming back so I could order N.

I have the SN, meto, and Tagamet. Just not sure if I should take the meto for 48 hours prior or just one dose before ingesting the SN. Thoughts?
I have the same concerns: if stat is really effective
 
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I want to believe stat is effective. None of us have drank a lethal dose of SN (I presume) so our SI talks what it may talk, but the proof is in the pudding. Of course the nature of the conversation is such that I do not advocate anyone doing anything ever.
 
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I’m using SN and I think it’s safe to say it’s fairly reliable when carried out properly. Your body also reverses the process so you don’t end up with brain damage if you’re unsuccessful.

The main reason people seem to fail is throwing up from not using an anti emetic (Metoclopramide/Domperidone). If you add Tagamet or Ranitidine it helps improve success rates too by increasing how quickly the SN absorbs.

The main problems I see with this method is the lethal dose is variable to the individual which is why 15-20g or even 20-25g is suggested and having adverse reactions to anti emetics makes the regimen hard for some people
I worry it won’t work and leave me with nasty side effects or brain damage. This would prevent me trying again with my second and certain choice of jumping. Maybe I’m just over thinking it?
 
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Reliable, yes, as long as you follow the steps correctly. Even those who vomit have passed away as long as they refused to seek help.

Peaceful, I'm having doubts regarding this since some people have called the ambulance immediately after taking it.
 
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Reliable, yes, as long as you follow the steps correctly. Even those who vomit have passed away as long as they refused to seek help.

Peaceful, I'm having doubts regarding this since some people have called the ambulance immediately after taking it.
Maybe that’s their SI kicking in and suddenly wanting to live?
 
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Maybe that’s their SI kicking in and suddenly wanting to live?
The reason the SI kicks in is due to the pain. Just for reference I've never heard of anyone calling for an ambulance after taking N.

Peacefulness rating is 7 though.
I know. But there are quite a few disturbing stories regarding SN so I'm quite scared to take it.
 
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I do not completely trust it. The 6 out of 10 on peaceful pill for reliability worries me. Not dying but being really ill or permanently disabled in some way would be horrible. It's my back up method for that reason. But it is a plus for convenience, no equipment to have to move around like inert gas. I cannot do it at home.
 
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I do not completely trust it. The 6 out of 10 on peaceful pill for reliability worries me. Not dying but being really ill or permanently disabled in some way would be horrible. It's my back up method for that reason. But it is a plus for convenience, no equipment to have to move around like inert gas. I cannot do it at home.
Totally know what you mean. The reliability score made me post this thread after I re-read the SN chapter of ppeh. But maybe the low ish reliability score is because of the chance of vomiting/panicking/being rescued with methylene blue? At least Shawn S. (may she r.i.p) who ctb'd by SN messaged the forums calmly after having taken it so maybe the experience is not that bad or maybe it was due to her having had nerves of steel or b/c of her antacids and meto. Idk. But maybe someone else knows, I'm a newbie to this kind of thing.
 
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The reason the SI kicks in is due to the pain. Just for reference I've never heard of anyone calling for an ambulance after taking N.


I know. But there are quite a few disturbing stories regarding SN so I'm quite scared to take it.
with nembutal one becomes incapacitated within 1-2 minutes, with sn it can take 40 minutes? I believe in this process, the SI can occur with comparably low to tolerable side effects. the more you want to die the more you can endure, but I think many are just not mentally ready to go and this long time to unconsciousness coupled with the side effects and fears can already lead to failure. that's why sedatives like benzos are recommended.

can you please link me to one of these stories please.
 
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It seems to me that the 48-hour regimen is the most recommended, so why not just go with that. (SN is my plan B as of now)
 
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The reason the SI kicks in is due to the pain. Just for reference I've never heard of anyone calling for an ambulance after taking N.
As far as I'm aware, there's only pain if you did something wrong In the regimen. And even then, it shouldn't be that bad
 
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Totally know what you mean. The reliability score made me post this thread after I re-read the SN chapter of ppeh. But maybe the low ish reliability score is because of the chance of vomiting/panicking/being rescued with methylene blue? At least Shawn S. (may she r.i.p) who ctb'd by SN messaged the forums calmly after having taken it so maybe the experience is not that bad or maybe it was due to her having had nerves of steel or b/c of her antacids and meto. Idk. But maybe someone else knows, I'm a newbie to this kind of thing.
Well, I watched a video posted from PN, and he said you WILL die from SN (he emphasized will). So maybe it is rated lower due to the treatment available. It would be nice to know how they come up with the ratings.
 
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It is rated lower simply because it is fully reversible if you are found in a short time-frame or call emergency yourself. As far as "peacefulness" goes, everyone who I have read of on here that failed it, tried it again. That must mean something.
 
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Totally know what you mean. The reliability score made me post this thread after I re-read the SN chapter of ppeh. But maybe the low ish reliability score is because of the chance of vomiting/panicking/being rescued with methylene blue? At least Shawn S. (may she r.i.p) who ctb'd by SN messaged the forums calmly after having taken it so maybe the experience is not that bad or maybe it was due to her having had nerves of steel or b/c of her antacids and meto. Idk. But maybe someone else knows, I'm a newbie to this kind of thing.
Yeah, and there have been many others that have live posted through it. Whether they were in so much pain they had to stop posting or passed out is another story.

Honestly, I don’t think it could be too painful. It’s in the peaceful pill handbook and Nitschke is recommending it if N is out of reach.

CO is an 8 in the pph and SN is a 7.
It can’t be that bad
 
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Can some one explain this regimen to me? I thought it was an 8 hour fast, take the me to, wait a bit then drink the sn. I have sn on the way
 
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with nembutal one becomes incapacitated within 1-2 minutes, with sn it can take 40 minutes? I believe in this process, the SI can occur with comparably low to tolerable side effects. the more you want to die the more you can endure, but I think many are just not mentally ready to go and this long time to unconsciousness coupled with the side effects and fears can already lead to failure. that's why sedatives like benzos are recommended.

can you please link me to one of these stories please.
 
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Does anyone know if a regimen is necessary for prochlorperazine since it's suppose to be more potent than meto?
 
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Regimen is needed for any antiemetic, this stuff is hard to keep down. Prochlorperazine is the most likely to give awful side effects so I'd stick with meto or domperidone.
 
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Regimen is needed for any antiemetic, this stuff is hard to keep down. Prochlorperazine is the most likely to give awful side effects so I'd stick with meto or domperidone.
Thanks for the reply but prochlorperazine and zofran are the only two I was able to get so i'm gonna have to go with one of those or possibly both. I just don't know what would be the more efficient option.
 
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Go with prochlorperazine then. Zofran is used to potentiate domperidone, it's not needed for meto or prochlorperazine.
 
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