DeBreather purchase, too good to be true?

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I'm half asleep so forgive my stupidity, ok? This device is basically the same as an Exit Bag, but with a mask instead of a bag, right? Could your doubts be assuaged at all by adding a bag over your head & mask?
 
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It's always the smart ones who second-guess themselves. “Innocent” being, running unaware, you just gave me an idea that I’ll explore! Thx
No, you’re off. The device works without a supply of inert gas, recycling your own respiration as a Nitrogen composure, with a circuit filtered, rather to immerse in added Nitrogen. So we fear O2 infiltrating in, rather than Nitrogen leaking out.
 
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Just trying to see if it was available and looked legit . Dont feel well enough to trek through 34 pages at the moment as I explained if that's OK with you. Loads of info on page supposed to be selling it. Bit of understanding for ppl please.
I’m sorry .. I’m really off today. Didn’t mean to be curt. There is a lot of discussion really worthy of reading if you’re interested in this device.
1) mask issues (After unconscious, mask may lose seal)
2) potential to resuscitate with brain damage before death
3) a user attempted and reported it didn’t work and no longer In communication
4) packaging issues (can’t open until sure youre going to use)
5) have to open it to get masks out of you want to practice with them ( then reseal.. will this compromise Lyme granules)
And much more
these are things not on website

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Regardong the bondage, I think it's not a solution. The concern remains even if you do that. I mean, there mught be leaking for any reason. With bondage you only eliminate one possible cause of leaking. But the concern remains, because it might to be leaking still. So the concern is still to know what happens if there is a leaking when your breath has already been arrested. Mechanical intervention and rescuing are avoidable by closing the door with a key.
 
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Re: bondage (corpse or taping the mask) to assure a perfect continuous seal, not disengaging yet cause it’s a manageable point of focus, unlike theories.

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I have one. It really helps to maintain the neck straight and lock the head to tilt around. The freedom of movement gets a lot narrower. Imho overall, it’s protective, possibly a worthy addition

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Wondering about this extra. Haven’t you talked about gels before ? Could it be adapted ?

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I think I misstated. The act of attempting to end your life IS a risk. All efforts should be made to minimize risk; however, risk is inherent and there is no 100% foolproof guaranteed method as many on this forum can attest to.

If you are in this for 100%, you need to find a safer hobby, lol. Even contraception is only 100% accurate with abstinence.
I suppose neither Exit has yet info validated with practice. But perhaps, only perhaps, it's not necessary, I don't know, maybe the possibility of the existence or not of a leaking supossedly leading to end up with brain damage, is a concern that can be answered by physicians, without need of practice. That is what I would like to know if it's been answered in Exit forums.
What about taking the question to a physician sub in Reddit, with a story of a project or report you're doing? Worst thing is no one will answer.
 
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What about taking the question to a physician sub in Reddit, with a story of a project or report you're doing? Worst thing is no one will answer.
I don't think so, I'm not confident with that. I'd prefer Exit forums info. Please, if someone has access and is kind enoigh to PM, I'd be more than grateful.
 
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I’m sorry .. I’m really off today. Didn’t mean to be curt. There is a lot of discussion really worthy of reading if you’re interested in this device.
1) mask issues (After unconscious, mask may lose seal)
2) potential to resuscitate with brain damage before death
3) a user attempted and reported it didn’t work and no longer In communication
4) packaging issues (can’t open until sure youre going to use)
5) have to open it to get masks out of you want to practice with them ( then reseal.. will this compromise Lyme granules)
And much more
these are things not on website

take care
Thanks for that. Sounds like you've researched it well. Be great if you ever have time if you could do a summary of things. Seems like several long threads on here to wade through. Sounded like a great option but not available at mo. Seems like some ppl trying diy ones.
You're not supposed to open until use due to the Lyme granules. ? That's v restrictive. Can you get inflatable masks like they use anyway? Thanks
 
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Thanks for that. Sounds like you've researched it well. Be great if you ever have time if you could do a summary of things. Seems like several long threads on here to wade through. Sounded like a great option but not available at mo. Seems like some ppl trying diy ones.
You're not supposed to open until use due to the Lyme granules. ? That's v restrictive. Can you get inflatable masks like they use anyway? Thanks
May 3th there will be an update on the Rebreather in PPH.
 
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Thanks for that. Sounds like you've researched it well. Be great if you ever have time if you could do a summary of things. Seems like several long threads on here to wade through. Sounded like a great option but not available at mo. Seems like some ppl trying diy ones.
You're not supposed to open until use due to the Lyme granules. ? That's v restrictive. Can you get inflatable masks like they use anyway? Thanks
Yes I used an inflatable mask.
 
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I notice the capture of SS info from Exit, without credit, so not up to feel apologetic anymore, especially since the audience is too often taken as guinea pigs with inadequate material then revisions

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Those who got a device still sealed might consider to request for an exchange between old and new units
If the shipment hasn’t arrived yet (i.e. stuck at customs), I suggest to reject the delivery on arrival with the purpose to have the package returned to China covered without extra shipping fees (which would be quite expensive otherwise on own initiative)
...to arrange with Richard beforehand
 
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I notice the capture of SS info from Exit, without credit, so not up to feel apologetic anymore, especially since the audience is too often taken as guinea pigs with inadequate material then revisions

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Those who got a device still sealed might consider to request for an exchange between old and new units
If the shipment hasn’t arrived yet (i.e. stuck at customs), I suggest to reject the delivery on arrival with the purpose to have the package returned to China covered without extra shipping fees (which would be quite expensive otherwise on own initiative)
...to arrange with Richard beforehand
I see "reports of a handful of failures." That's vague, and is another example of sales speak instead of giving facts. I don't see any reports of successes!
 
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I see "reports of a handful of failures." That's vague, and is another example of sales speak instead of giving facts. I don't see any reports of successes!
Exactly what I just wrote to my mates... (the SN successes were talked about / mentioned)
Actually, the confusing speech broadens shamelessly. Now they act like they anticipated complications in advance, which was never detailed beforehand, and still remains unclear.
Also, initially the device was not removed for sale due to an expected redesign but for a refresh of mail carrier & stock. At least, this reason (redesign) was never communicated to the clients ! Did the clients of the R2D site receive a note of caution following the unexpected failed trials ? There has been a hint given in a previous update (indirectly - it should have come from R not Exit) that a redesign was considered but too coward to even announce it openly.
Anyway, this constant diversion shows a lack of care and disrespect
 
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I notice the capture of SS info from Exit, without credit, so not up to feel apologetic anymore, especially since the audience is too often taken as guinea pigs with inadequate material then revisions

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Thank you, @enjolras. At least that's close to an answer to my question about co2-retentiveness, but it's a deeply screwed-up way to horse customers around.
 
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Thanks @enjolras
Wow! And our anecdote (downtogo) felt nothing for 30 mins.
Their anecdote says felt suffocated. Ugh, suffocated is definitely not peaceful.
in the summary of redesign, it says nothing about addressing the masks. And the next design is also going to be more experiments.

Now I understand why lmroch was scolded, they posted the failure to the forum instead of to the secure email. They don’t want any negatives on the forum.

i cannot imagine gearing myself up to go through with using that (or anything) overcoming SI, and it fails! They should be offering to redesign any of the existing devices for free and pay shipping. Horrible service by r2d to let exit be their voice.
My guess is there are no successes or I think they would have said.
 
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Please donate to online Wikis to save Philip & Fiona.

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Quarky may request a kind of author rights ?

Note they’re making fun of us “sources”, arguing about “luxury items”, while we actually SERVE them oftentimes.

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About the N chapter, I also really should consider asking for royalties cause I’m the trigger origin of at least 2 moves

To remember, at the 5 years trackrecord of intensive Wiki reading, you could postulate for doctor’s licencing as professional equivalence.

Kuddos to the audacity : “Don’t forget to support free knowledge“ !!! That’s what we do at SS & what you don’t :pfff: Can we setup a Donate button urgently ?

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Indeed: Thank you @GoodPersonEffed for bumping up Richard's responses, and thank you @idonk for asking the q's and posting the a's. I managed to miss that back in April.

@poof, do I recall right that you're also co2 retentive? Does that weigh on your interest in the re-breather? When I asked EI my question (just by email, not as a member) I was directed to ask the manufacturer, so I'm sorry to see Richard bounce it back to PN.

Does anyone feel like they could ask Richard to ask PN about how being co2-retentive will affect an exit attempt via rebreather? (When I tried contacting Richard I got no response.)

Meanwhile, I'm still puzzled that when I was in a diagnosed hypercapnic coma, I was blissed out and enjoying a fabulous film festival inside my head. If CO2 buildup is direly uncomfortable, why was I having so much fun?
Yep. Spent 2 years, before I knew about suicide sites, learning all I could about nitrogen and the exit bag, found out where to get everything and how to make the purchases, only to discover that I could not use the method. Began studying the Sarco, and realized that although liquid nitrogen can be used to produce nitrogen gas, it is extremely cold, difficult to contain, and very heavy. So I googled CO2 absorbers and voila the debreather was born, and an explanation to Sarco was found. There are a number of examples showing how to design the instrument, (debreather) on altitude training sites...but I am still left with that crucial question...will it work for me?
 
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It would appear my homemade version already corrects the failures. The taped-on tops to the soda lime containers pictured by R2D just SCREAM quality
 
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I attempted with the ReBreather. There are flaws in the design, and it was not peaceful. I'm glad to answer any questions here on the thread, no PMs.

I tried all three masks, from largest to smallest.

Each time, I breathed deeply, and the lung in the bag expanded and contracted.

My hands started to tingle a bit.

Then I felt my face shift at the chin, and the lung did not contract or expand as much. So the seal was compromised. I considered getting some denture gel.

With the last mask, the smallest, I draped one forearm over the part where the tubes join and connect to the mask. This maintained the seal. However, if I had gone into convulsions, the seal would have been broken.

At this point, I'd had it on for about 7-8 minutes.

Once the seal was really held and I was continuing to breathe deeply, it was indeed like being in a bag. It was starting to get intense, and my lungs were expanding to try to draw in more oxygen. One leg kept twitching like an anxiety response. I tried to follow through, but I only lasted about a minute.

Overall, each attempt was around 10 minutes, the last one was when I got the seal to hold. The soda lime is still white.
 
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I attempted with the ReBreather. There are flaws in the design, and it was not peaceful. I'm glad to answer any questions here on the thread, no PMs.

I tried all three masks, from largest to smallest.

Each time, I breathed deeply, and the lung in the bag expanded and contracted.

My hands started to tingle a bit.

Then I felt my face shift at the chin, and the lung did not contract or expand as much. So the seal was compromised. I considered getting some denture gel.

With the last mask, the smallest, I draped one forearm over the part where the tubes join and connect to the mask. This maintained the seal. However, if I had gone into convulsions, the seal would have been broken.

At this point, I'd had it on for about 7-8 minutes.

Once the seal was really held and I was continuing to breathe deeply, it was indeed like being in a bag. It was starting to get intense, and my lungs were expanding to try to draw in more oxygen. One leg kept twitching like an anxiety response. I tried to follow through, but I only lasted about a minute.

Overall, each attempt was around 10 minutes, the last one was when I got the seal to hold. The soda lime is still white.
Sorry to hear that, any theory about the cause of the failure?
 
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Sorry to hear that, any theory about the cause of the failure?
No, but PN has theories. See the post by @enjolras from earlier today with the screenshot of the PPH. My experience with difficulty breathing corresponded with what was reported there.
 
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Everything there is so expensive and to good to be true...I want to know why.
 
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I attempted with the ReBreather. There are flaws in the design, and it was not peaceful. I'm glad to answer any questions here on the thread, no PMs.

I tried all three masks, from largest to smallest.

Each time, I breathed deeply, and the lung in the bag expanded and contracted.

My hands started to tingle a bit.

Then I felt my face shift at the chin, and the lung did not contract or expand as much. So the seal was compromised. I considered getting some denture gel.

With the last mask, the smallest, I draped one forearm over the part where the tubes join and connect to the mask. This maintained the seal. However, if I had gone into convulsions, the seal would have been broken.

At this point, I'd had it on for about 7-8 minutes.

Once the seal was really held and I was continuing to breathe deeply, it was indeed like being in a bag. It was starting to get intense, and my lungs were expanding to try to draw in more oxygen. One leg kept twitching like an anxiety response. I tried to follow through, but I only lasted about a minute.

Overall, each attempt was around 10 minutes, the last one was when I got the seal to hold. The soda lime is still white.
Hi. Well I wasn’t expecting that. Don’t feel obligated to answer anything personal vs technical.

Did you attempt before or after seeing @enjolras message?
i know this was a real attempt bcos I know your fears related to a failed attempt with this method.

how many attempts did you make?

how long did you play with the mask before feeling it was secure enough?

was the device comfortable or cumbersome to strap to your chest?

how did the chin strap (head band) feel?

Absolutely no dizziness or lightheaded feeling?

sounds impossible to proceed with this method as forcing yourself to stay connected (sealed) is not pleasant in anyway.

also, do you feel that any of the summarized improvements will make a difference? It seems that maybe the entire design is flawed as nextbusleavings design seems (to me) to be quite different and his tests seemed to produce different feelings and results within minutes.
 
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Hi. Well I wasn’t expecting that. Don’t feel obligated to answer anything personal vs technical.

Did you attempt before or after seeing @enjolras message?
i know this was a real attempt bcos I know your fears related to a failed attempt with this method.

- After.
- I decided to just go for it. I wanted the possibility of a peaceful death, even a fun one from getting a hypoxic high.

how many attempts did you make?

- One with each mask. Every time, the seal broke within around two minutes. I didn't watch the clock because the inflated mask is right under the eyes, easier to keep them closed, and also I wanted to just relax and concentrate on the breathing and hopefully enjoy getting high.

how long did you play with the mask before feeling it was secure enough?

- It was very easy to connect, no time at all. I didn't even adjust the head strap, I have a smallish head and it's a thick elastic, so I just slipped it over my head because the Velcro is under the chin padding and I didn't want to pull it apart if I didn't have to. It was very snug. I pulled the straps tight from the mask to Velcro onto the head band and there was no slipping. The mask is a little uncomfortable over the bridge of the nose. Also, folks who are sensitive to chemical smells might want to let everything air out for a bit.

was the device comfortable or cumbersome to strap to your chest?

- Comfortable enough. The strap goes around the lower ribs and is adjustable. I think it's a little loose once adjusted and was concerned it might slip and get looser if there were convulsions, and that a better quality strap would hold more snugly. The device weighs 7 lbs and is boxy, it would be nice if it were thickly and softly padded, and even nicer if it curved down from the sternum instead of just flat.

how did the chin strap (head band) feel?

- Very snug. Not super comfortable but not uncomfortable. It felt secure. If I were to attempt again, I might play with trying to get it to hold down the bottom of the mask. But I won't be attempting again because of the feeling of increasing suffocation.

Absolutely no dizziness or lightheaded feeling?

- When I first started, slightly light headed, tingling hands. Mild tachycardia after that for maybe 30 seconds. Then soon after, the seal would break because my facial muscles shifted.

sounds impossible to proceed with this method as forcing yourself to stay connected (sealed) is not pleasant in anyway.

- I couldn't do it. I kept hoping that it would pass and I'd start to have a hypoxic response, but I didn't, the discomfort kept slowly but regularly increasing. My heart rate increased, it helped to do deep breathing, but...it wasn't exactly like suffocation, more like increasing displacement and not being able to breathe properly. Not the same as an alarm response from having a plastic bag over my head, but the alarm was increasing.

also, do you feel that any of the summarized improvements will make a difference? It seems that maybe the entire design is flawed as nextbusleavings design seems (to me) to be quite different and his tests seemed to produce different feelings and results within minutes.

- Definitely something needs to change, I don't know if it's in the tubes or what. Whatever the flaw, the device definitely did not create a hypoxic response. I didn't feel woozy, have problems thinking, any of that. The tingling was mild and brief, the lightheadedness barely there and brief, and the tachycardia relatively mild and passed in less than 30 seconds.


Sorry if the proper term is anoxic.

Edit: I felt totally fine once I took a few breaths, no symptoms whatsoever.
 
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Thank you for taking questions, @GoodPersonEffed. I'm sorry you had a disappointing experience, but am very glad you're here to tell us about it. Please get good rest and fresh air, stay well hydrated and eat all your spinach.
 
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Thank you for taking questions, @GoodPersonEffed. I'm sorry you had a disappointing experience, but am very glad you're here to tell us about it. Please get good rest and fresh air, stay well hydrated and eat all your spinach.
Thank you! Emotionally, I'm fine. I was ready, but I also knew it probably wouldn't work, so I was prepared for either outcome. Physically, no effects whatsoever. Glad to be able to share info about the method not working.
 
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Thank you! Emotionally, I'm fine. I was ready, but I also knew it probably wouldn't work, so I was prepared for either outcome. Physically, no effects whatsoever. Glad to be able to share info about the method not working.
Yeah well *I* wasn't prepared yet, so please be gentle with yourself for a little while, ok? I'm glad you weren't damaged but it was still one of those high-stress experiences, and you deserve some salubrious care.

Meanwhile, it turns out I do have a question, if you can stand it. Are you interested in getting this poorly designed item replaced with the Upcoming Improved Version? Or have you had it with this method?

Some of your comments strongly suggest that a Deluxe Snuggly Rebreather wouldn't be hard to design, once the gizmo has its flaws hammered out. Something like those snuggly backpacks or hot water bottles ... GPF, you should sell Richard some prototypes. 8]
 
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