DeBreather purchase, too good to be true?

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Notabadguy

Notabadguy

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Dont be to much afraid of customs, it can safe live if it would been used with O2-Gas-bottle. There is nothing illegal on it. You have to to pay import tax, thats all.
For example: The German duty has fished my SN delivery, the officer was suspected me, but he cant refuseing the import of it.
Yes, but if they open it, they will ruin the product.
 
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It has a huge sign on it saying do not open unless you’re going to use it so i doubt they will
 
GoodPersonEffed

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I forgot that @idonk already posted the answers to the questions I've been asking about brain damage, or kind of. Basically, don't get interrupted for 15 minutes. If the mask comes off during the process due to convulsive body movements or if the seal is broken, breathing will resume. If respiration has already stopped, death will happen anyway, so I think the concern would be getting rescued if respiration had already stopped, then brain damage would have already occurred.

here are questions i asked Richard:


his responses:

1) The only way in which the attempt can fail is if the seal is (a) not effective at the outset or (b) the seal is compromised during use. If (a) you won't lose consciousness and so after 6-8 minutes, you should have figured this out and corrected the problem. If (b) it depends upon the cause. Regarding a loss of seal integrity during use, this would bring about a return to consciousness unless respiration had already ceased, in which case brain death would proceed uninterrupted.
2) The mask and chinstrap are sufficient to ensure a leak-proof seal. Especially if the inflatable cushion seal on the mask is properly adjusted (by inflation/deflation).
3) I think a sedative is a positive.
4) Loss of consciousness should be within 3-5 minutes. Death should follow within another 10-15 minutes. This minimizes the risk of interruption/rescue.
5) See #1
6) That's beyond my capability to answer. Maybe Philip can address that.
7) 6-8 minutes
8) Personally, I would breathe normally. The process is peaceful and painless, and I would breathe normally until I fall naturally into unconsciousness.
Hope these responses are helpful.
Richard
 
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Notabadguy

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I forgot that @idonk already posted the answers to the questions I've been asking about brain damage, or kind of. Basically, don't get interrupted for 15 minutes. If the mask comes off during the process due to convulsive body movements or if the seal is broken, breathing will resume. If respiration has already stopped, death will happen anyway, so I think the concern would be getting rescued if respiration had already stopped, then brain damage would have already occurred.

I hope you're right. My concern is if breath ressuming with brain damage is possible or not. If it's not possible I'm confident with this method.
 
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I hope you're right. My concern is if breath ressuming with brain damage is possible or not. If it's not possible I'm confident with this method.
Everything said here is hypotheses in relation to the rebreather. All of the speculation is from tests that do not include soda Lyme granules In theory it should work but all we know so far is one account, that appears to have failed. And I believe down2go ctbd using a different method, just a guess from his pms to me. He could be a fake, who knows.
All I’m trying to say here is that we are the test subjects for this device. Until a few have been used, we have no clue.
 
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How many times / how long can it be trialed without changing the soda lime ?
I understand the expiry is 3-5 days unused after opened, but doesn’t it accelerate the turnover when there’s practice with air flow through the filter ?
When the colour of the soda lime changes from off-white to violet/purple it needs to be renewed. Could try diving stores as well as I have heard that divers use it for diving.
Thank you very much Imroch.
 
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I forgot that @idonk already posted the answers to the questions I've been asking about brain damage, or kind of. Basically, don't get interrupted for 15 minutes. If the mask comes off during the process due to convulsive body movements or if the seal is broken, breathing will resume. If respiration has already stopped, death will happen anyway, so I think the concern would be getting rescued if respiration had already stopped, then brain damage would have already occurred.
Thank you.
 
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Notabadguy

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The price of customs in Spain is 89 euros (167 is the price of the device). That price includes additional inspection of the product, if everything is OK, they will deliver it. The price of that additional inspection is 17 euros (it's included in the 89 euros). I hope that they don't open it and, instead, they scan it. What do you think?
 
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Thank you.
Indeed: Thank you @GoodPersonEffed for bumping up Richard's responses, and thank you @idonk for asking the q's and posting the a's. I managed to miss that back in April.

@poof, do I recall right that you're also co2 retentive? Does that weigh on your interest in the re-breather? When I asked EI my question (just by email, not as a member) I was directed to ask the manufacturer, so I'm sorry to see Richard bounce it back to PN.

Does anyone feel like they could ask Richard to ask PN about how being co2-retentive will affect an exit attempt via rebreather? (When I tried contacting Richard I got no response.)

Meanwhile, I'm still puzzled that when I was in a diagnosed hypercapnic coma, I was blissed out and enjoying a fabulous film festival inside my head. If CO2 buildup is direly uncomfortable, why was I having so much fun?
 
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Indeed: Thank you @GoodPersonEffed for bumping up Richard's responses, and thank you @idonk for asking the q's and posting the a's. I managed to miss that back in April.

@poof, do I recall right that you're also co2 retentive? Does that weigh on your interest in the re-breather? When I asked EI my question (just by email, not as a member) I was directed to ask the manufacturer, so I'm sorry to see Richard bounce it back to PN.

Does anyone feel like they could ask Richard to ask PN about how being co2-retentive will affect an exit attempt via rebreather? (When I tried contacting Richard I got no response.)

Meanwhile, I'm still puzzled that when I was in a diagnosed hypercapnic coma, I was blissed out and enjoying a fabulous film festival inside my head. If CO2 buildup is direly uncomfortable, why was I having so much fun?
Id like to know this too about how being co2-retentive will affect an exit attempt via rebreather? thanks
 
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I plan on applying extra tape around my face to secure the mask (if I think its potentially not secure) but I really dont see it coming off. Perhaps some sort of thin, supportive balaclava could also be designed and implemented for extra support. Combine that with diazepam and do you have any other safeguards that should be implemented? I mentioned this before and was told it wasn't necessary, but I would like to replace diazepam with N and use that with the debreather. I figure thats as close to 100% reliable as you are likely to get.
Diazepam sounds genius if you can get it. A total sedative that will ease you into it. I'm assuming that you just pass out and go to sleep right?
 
Notabadguy

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Diazepam sounds genius if you can get it. A total sedative that will ease you into it. I'm assuming that you just pass out and go to sleep right?
That's how it's supposed to work.
 
Yomyom

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DeBreather workshop, not my method so I don't really focused in what he said
 
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Yomyom

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DeBreather workshop, not my method so I don't really focused in what he said
If someone don't want to download the video, you can watch it here
 
idonk

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i bought it when it was still available for purchase and they were using boxc for delivery. it took a long time for them to ship it here.
 
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i bought it when it was still available for purchase and they were using boxc for delivery. it took a long time for them to ship it here.
What is your plan, are you going to use it soon?
 
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Im having trouble getting the link for this, can anyone help me?