Ctb by deep cutting/stabbing of wrists

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ningaman151

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Hey all,

I was wondering about this ctb method in the title, and was thinking about whether it would work or not.

I take inspiration from Avicii, who committed suicide using this method. So it makes me think; will deep stabbing and cutting wrists with broken glass or a knife be a effective ctb method. Ideally alcohol would be used to aid the process.
 
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It's sad you're in such pain considering this brutal method. Suicide by cutting wrists / femoral artery has a very low chance of success. You could start cutting but in the middle of it the SI could kick in and you would end up worse. The search function doesn't work but there were a lot of similar questions before and I wouldn't recommend it.

I'd suggest reading about the well researched and having a high success rate methods instead, however, if that's what you're truly ready to do, I would do it in a bathtub so the cleaning is easier.

On the "lostallhope" website this method scores the lowest lethality - 6%. Approximately 105 min to die (not accurate) and with 71 agony out of 100:

28 Cut wrists/arms/legs 6.0%105 min71
 
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Pl don't do it brother ... U r only going to end up in a worse situation . there r other far less brutal and less painful Methods u could try... Pl don't do it.
 
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Bad way to ctb, painful with a really low chance of actually ctbing. Please don't go through this pain.
Bad way to ctb, painful with a really low chance of actually ctbing. Please don't go through this pain.
Also, Cutting with glass is difficult, I cut myself with glass from a frame, it only worked because it had a sharp edge, I tried it with other glass and it wasn't even sharp! It really just depends on how edgy an edge is and how hard the material is that is being used. Definitely not a good choice to consider.
 
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I agree with the others, reconsider this method and research for more reliable and painless ones. This is coming from someone who tried cutting their wrists with broken glass and it did not work, it was just really painful.
 
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This is what I have been thinking as well but it's actually a lot harder to kill yourself this way. I wish death was just as easy as being born, tired of everything. 13 reasons why made it look so easy through cutting but realistically it isn't.
 
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I was so bummed by avicii doing this.. the images pre death he looks happy and at peace. I just wonder how he came to end up doing this, also a little blood looks like a shit load- imagine the person who found him. I’d hate to traumatise someone unsuspecting
 
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Fyi, Avicii took a broken bottle and shoved it in his throat directly.
 
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Suicide by cutting wrists / femoral artery has a very low chance of success.
I disagree about the femoral artery. If you know where to stab and aim properly, death is quick and certain.
 
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I disagree about the femoral artery. If you know where to stab and aim properly, death is quick and certain.
But the same goes to wrist / throat cutting. It will hurt a lot and you may not finish the job. A failed attempt can result in torn tendons or nerves, so it will take a lot of time to walk normally again depending on your cut.

If you're very persistent and know where to cut, then of course, death is quick and certain without interuption. The problem is it's not as simple as it sounds with all the pain and SI.
 
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Given the proximity of the femoral artery to the major nerve in the leg, if it is tried, one may never walk at all.
Exactly. One guy on Yahoo Answers who tried cutting femoral artery but failed, ended up in the hospital and took him one year to start walking normally again.
 
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Siskel and Ebert gives this method two thumbs down.
 
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Exactly. One guy on Yahoo Answers who tried cutting femoral artery but failed, ended up in the hospital and took him one year to start walking normally again.
I know I sound nerdy but I do fem stabs for arterial blood gases in emergency and u literally go blind, the longest needle and if someone’s overweight put pressure to drive it deep. This would not be easy
 
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Hey I hope your holding up well. This has a very low success rate, I would consider trying more peaceful methods that are listed in the methods megathread. Best of luck
 
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I know I sound nerdy but I do fem stabs for arterial blood gases in emergency and u literally go blind, the longest needle and if someone’s overweight put pressure to drive it deep. This would not be easy
Sorry, didn't quite understand what you wrote tbh
 
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Sorry, didn't quite understand what you wrote tbh
so in an emergency when a person is dying the femoral is still blood rich and present ( a radial artery is gone by then) so we take blood from this pulse point- it’s deep, unclear and hard to get. Would not be an easy way to depart as I find it hard to get Any blood even in a well pt that can’t tolerate their wrists as it’s so deep.
 
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But the same goes to wrist / throat cutting. It will hurt a lot and you may not finish the job. A failed attempt can result in torn tendons or nerves, so it will take a lot of time to walk normally again depending on your cut.

If you're very persistent and know where to cut, then of course, death is quick and certain without interuption. The problem is it's not as simple as it sounds with all the pain and SI.
I disagree again. In the femoral triangle, the artery is very close to the surface. It's not easy to find, but you can actually feel the pulse with your fingers. Not that it matters, because you can obviously deliver more than one stab. People who have stabbed themselves by mistake have not noticed it in most cases and in the two suicide cases I've managed to find, the suicidees didn't even whimper when they stabbed themselves (in both cases, there was a person in the next room), so I very much doubt that it's particularly painful.

For the record, I would never even consider trying to puncture the brachial artery or the jugular artery, just the femoral.
 
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I disagree again. In the femoral triangle, the artery is very close to the surface. It's not easy to find, but you can actually feel the pulse with your fingers. Not that it matters, because you can obviously deliver more than one stab. People who have stabbed themselves by mistake have not noticed it in most cases and in the two suicide cases I've managed to find, the suicidees didn't even whimper when they stabbed themselves (in both cases, there was a person in the next room), so I very much doubt that it's particularly painful.

For the record, I would never even consider trying to puncture the brachial artery or the jugular artery, just the femoral.
I've seen a lot of beheadings on bestgore and similar websites from dull knives to chainsaws and didn't hear any whimper as well but that doesn't mean it's not painful. Why is the agony of this method on lostallhope website scores as high as 71-86 comparing to the hanging with 25, e.g. These numbers aren't 100% accurate but it gives a perspective of pain.

You would need to keep stabing or cutting yourself with a lot of force and because some people have a high tolerance of pain doesn't mean it's gonna be painless in general. I've seen monks who set themself on fire and just sit silently till they lose conscious while setting oneself on fire is considered one of the most painful methods of suicide.

Also, if you don't mind, can you pm me a link to those videos? Would be interesting to see.
 
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I've seen a lot of beheadings on bestgore and similar websites from dull knives to chainsaws and didn't hear any whimper as well but that doesn't mean it's not painful. Why is the agony of this method on lostallhope website scores as high as 71-86 comparing to the hanging with 25, e.g. These numbers aren't 100% accurate but it gives a perspective of pain.
First of all, are you sure this site specifically discusses puncturing the femoral artery? Furthermore, exactly what do they base these scroings on? Has someone stabbed themselves in the femoral artery and hanged themselves so that they can compare the pain?

Just to be clear, I talk about the femoral artery, nothing else. I imagine it must be very painful to stab at the brachial and jugular veins and I would never even consider that option.

May I ask, why do like to watch people suffer?

You would need to keep stabing or cutting yourself with a lot of force and because some people have a high tolerance of pain doesn't mean it's gonna be painless in general. I've seen monks who set themself on fire and just sit silently till they lose conscious while setting oneself on fire is considered one of the most painful methods of suicide.
"A lot of force"? What do you base this on? In the femoral triangle, the artery is roughly 0.5–1.5 cm beneath the surface according to medically trained persons I've talked to. It's used as a catheter access artery and I very much doubt that they would dig deep into the body to attach a catheter. It hardly takes "a lot of force" to reach the artery at such a shallow depth.

Also, if you don't mind, can you pm me a link to those videos? Would be interesting to see.
Why do think I'm talking about videos? I'm talking about medicial reports. Below is a video of a man who gets stabbed in the femoral artery (00:30). I don't mean to exploit his suffering, just to share information that might be important.

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Like what icunurse said, it is sometimes hard to locate the artery while going blind (not under ultrasound guidance). Sometimes you have to dig around to get to the artery even though you might think the pulse feels very superficial. The chances of a successful puncture decrease with increasing obesity of the person.

Medical professionals insert intra arterial lines or catheters into the femoral arteries under ultrasound guidance these days as the risk of litigation from complications with a blind technique is unacceptable. Taking blood gases with a blind technique is acceptable in certain situations.


However to minimise the pain, perhaps one can tourniquet the limb as proximal as possible. Then use a hell lot of lignocaine to infiltrate and numb the area and then proceed with dissection until you reach the artery before you transect it and release the tourniquet. That way you get a guaranteed and relatively painless result? It's just too complicated and messy to be practical.
 
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Like what icunurse said, it is sometimes hard to locate the artery while going blind (not under ultrasound guidance). Sometimes you have to dig around to get to the artery even though you might think the pulse feels very superficial. The chances of a successful puncture decrease with increasing obesity of the person.

Medical professionals insert intra arterial lines or catheters into the femoral arteries under ultrasound guidance these days as the risk of litigation from complications with a blind technique is unacceptable these days. Taking blood gases with a blind technique is acceptable in certain situations.
Good points. However, contrary to medical staff, suicidees don't have to limit themselves to one stab. (I've also heard that it's more difficult for muscular people to find the artery, but I don't know if it's true.)

However to minimise the pain, perhaps one can tourniquet the limb as proximal as possible. Then use a hell lot of lignocaine to infiltrate and numb the area and then proceed with dissection until you reach the artery before you transect it and release the tourniquet. That way you get a guaranteed and relatively painless result? It's just too complicated and messy to be practical.
Or simply pain relief gels and ice cubes.
 
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Good points. However, contrary to medical staff, suicidees don't have to limit themselves to one stab. (I've also heard that it's more difficult for muscular people to find the artery, but I don't know if it's true.)



Or simply pain relief gels and ice cubes.
Hmm I was thinking from a quick and painless perspective. I'd freak out if I had to do multiple attempts to reach the artery cos of the pain involved.
Edit: My anatomy is abit rusty but I doubt there's any significant muscular attachment there. My concern is that the structures you're Gonna hopefully blitz/slice through are the superficial and deep fascia and those are difficult and fibrous things to cut. It's just not my preferred way to do it as the risk of leaving things half baked is pretty high with the chance of alot of complications.
 
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First of all, are you sure this site specifically discusses puncturing the femoral artery? Furthermore, exactly what do they base these scroings on? Has someone stabbed themselves in the femoral artery and hanged themselves so that they can compare the pain?

Just to be clear, I talk about the femoral artery, nothing else. I imagine it must be very painful to stab at the brachial and jugular veins and I would never even consider that option.

May I ask, why do like to watch people suffer?



"A lot of force"? What do you base this on? In the femoral triangle, the artery is roughly 0.5–1.5 cm beneath the surface according to medically trained persons I've talked to. It's used as a catheter access artery and I very much doubt that they would dig deep into the body to attach a catheter. It hardly takes "a lot of force" to reach the artery at such a shallow depth.



Why do think I'm talking about videos? I'm talking about medicial reports. Below is a video of a man who gets stabbed in the femoral artery (00:30). I don't mean to exploit his suffering, just to share information that might be important.

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I really liked @laserfocus111 points. The videos of femoral artery cutting are old and no longer available there. There are more gore websites and I use them for research purposes how easy / complex the method is.

I've read the artery is about 1 - 2 inches (~ 2.5 - 5 cm) deep, up to 2 inches (~ 5 cm) more for heavily obese people, not 0.5 - 1.5 cm. Like @laserfocus111 said, it's more complicated and much messier than the other methods like SN or hanging for most people.
 
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Hmm I was thinking from a quick and painless perspective. I'd freak out if I had to do multiple attempts to reach the artery cos of the pain involved.
Edit: My anatomy is abit rusty but I doubt there's any significant muscular attachment there. My concern is that the structures you're Gonna hopefully blitz/slice through are the superficial and deep fascia and those are difficult and fibrous things to cut. It's just not my preferred way to do it as the risk of leaving things half baked is pretty high with the chance of alot of complications.
To each their own, I guess. I consider using this method, but it's not my first choice.
I've read the artery is about 1 - 2 inches (~ 2.5 - 5 cm) deep, up to 2 inches (~ 5 cm) more for heavily obese people, not 0.5 - 1.5 cm.
In the thigh, yes. In the femoral triangle, no. AGAIN, catheters are attached to the femoral artery, and do you seriously think they would dig 5 cm into the body to do that?

Like @laserfocus111 said, it's more complicated and much messier than the other methods like SN or hanging for most people.
It's abolutely not more complicated than SN and hanging. (Are you one of those fanatic SN fan boys?) Regimen, sweet spot, etc. However, I definitely agree with you that it's much messier. The blood loss is massive, so if one wants to save the survivors gruesome cleaning, it has to be done in the shower or outdoors.
 
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