[Method] Carbon monoxide megathread

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cappuccinogirl

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The ch8 post and ppl on here have said to leave briquettes/ charcoal until white/ ashy but in tests done with heat beads briquettes they're taking a long time for the orange inside to die down. They.re v hot and orangy still nearly 2 hours after and bit scarey to bring inside. I started them in chimney starter for c half hour. But if I leave them until grey on tests with 1000 meter only seem to be getting 250/ 300 ppm. Might still build up in room. Any advice pls on this. ? Read they can give off c M for hours but levels don't seem high for that long. Thanks very much.
 
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justanotherday

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My car was a 1980 and it emitted plenty of lethal levels of carbon mon. to take me on out of this world. However, I was found, so here I am stuck on this crazy planet.
 
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Hey guys. Not sure if someone clarified this but what about in a apartment? I live on the 3rd floor an I have a small fire place. Should I just put charcoal in light it and close the gates to the fire place? And then just lay near by?
 
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Also would def recommend proper heat gloves to carry it. Oven gloves not enough.
When I tested levels a couple of hours after lighting was only c250 ppm. I thought the carbon M was supposed to last quite a while. Used heat beads briquettes. Got better levels from one disposable charcoal bbq before, but ppl on here have recommended briquettes. ... Anyone done any tests with levels? Fed up with these technical difficulties.
Weber briquettes seem a lot better
 
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Just got back from the testrun.
My chimney starter holds approx 1kg of coal. Never used it before.
They go red hot in 10 mins at the bottom. After 20 mins they start to crumble down slowly. There's practically no white smoke, just a lot of heat, but I was doing it outdoors. After 40 mins they have reduced by 1/3 in volume and I've poured it into a grillbox and spread out evenly. Within a minute they've turned ashy white.
From now on I wouldn't be worried about heat and smoke if I was doing it in a closed compartment (like 9-10 sq.m room) but no idea if they would produce enough CO.
Without a meter it's nothing but a wild guess... :(
 
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cappuccinogirl

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Also would def recommend proper heat gloves to carry it. Oven gloves not enough.
When I tested levels a couple of hours after lighting was only c250 ppm. I thought the carbon M was supposed to last quite a while. Used heat beads briquettes. Got better levels from one disposable charcoal bbq before, but ppl on here have recommended briquettes. ... Anyone done any tests with levels? Fed up with these technical difficulties.
Hi anyone know roughly how long charcoaL ./ briquettes release high enough levels for? By the time it's cool enough to bring in doesn't seem to leave much time before levels start dropping. Only got 1000 meter. Worrying to bring in when still so hot. Wasn't aiming to die in fire. Then youre supposed to leave to build up for half hour. The levels I've got from test runs have varied. Ill try and go back through thread some to see if any info before. Thanks
 
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cappuccinogirl

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i have tested this method in my 10m3 small room and i measured the CO concentration with my testo 317-3 (max1999ppm) i used around 1 kg charcoal (7pieces Briquetts the rest simple charcoal) i lighting it in a grill - dont have used a chimney starter. The CO concentration in the room was 500 after 6m, 1100 after 12m and finally max 1999 after 19-20m then i break off the test but the charcoal burned around 1h+ after the test in my balcony. i think if i continue the test to the end the ppm woulb be 7000+ ?
Hi can I ask did you stay in the room when you tested it. ? If I just go in the room for a few minutes to test reading not often showing very high but if I leave it in there it can go to max. Hope that makes sense. Thanks x
 
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I went into the room every time to measure, I always stopped my breath.
in my last attempt three months ago (which was much voluminous) I always went into the room for a short time but after a while I was poisoned because I can not hold my breath long enough, judging by the symptoms about ~ 20% CoHb ,
I also always opened the window for 10 minutes when 1999ppm reached to see how fast again 1999ppm would be achieved.


I will soon get a 10000 ppm measuring device, but I have to think about how I can measure without danger at high values in the room (6000+)
maybe I'll make a breath mask out of a plastic bag or I'll make a live recording of the room.
 
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I went into the room every time to measure, I always stopped my breath.
in my last attempt three months ago (which was much voluminous) I always went into the room for a short time but after a while I was poisoned because I can not hold my breath long enough
How did you feel it? Upon breathing in, did you get instantly nauseaus? Lightheaded?
Is normal if the briquette are too red? Like, are glowing too much.
Spread them on the surface and wait... they die out pretty quickly
 
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This might be the method i'll use to CTB.
Using my car, a small toyota aygo,
I bought the briggets from Webber, the chimney and waiting for the 1000ppm tester and bucket to arrive.

Will do a trial run with the test on my yet-to-find spot and check how long does it take to reach above 1000ppm.
My car doesnt have a closed venting circuit but i can tape the inlets with tape and aluminium foil. By what i saw, its not exactly necessary to duct-tape the doors but i might do it in the windows.
Thinking on buying a CPR mask as well and hook a tube from it to the dashboard vent, isolating it so i can stay inside the car and breathe normally instead of waiting 20 minutes outside.
I can't have my hands on any prescription drugs, so my only friend will be alchool.

With a bit of luck i can achieve high PPM on that small car. It's about 20ºc at night. I have no idea if using 1.5kg (what the chimney holds) will make the car too hot but i will have to test and endure.
My biggest issue now is the place to do it. We have a lot of pastures but i'm afraid to be spotted making a chimney fire at night.
 
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cappuccinogirl

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Thanks for that. Safest way breathing mask I should imagine. Inexpensive on amazon but no idea if they protect from c monoxide.

I went into the room every time to measure, I always stopped my breath.
in my last attempt three months ago (which was much voluminous) I always went into the room for a short time but after a while I was poisoned because I can not hold my breath long enough, judging by the symptoms about ~ 20% CoHb ,
I also always opened the window for 10 minutes when 1999ppm reached to see how fast again 1999ppm would be achieved.


I will soon get a 10000 ppm measuring device, but I have to think about how I can measure without danger at high values in the room (6000+)
maybe I'll make a breath mask out of a plastic bag or I'll make a live recording of the room.
 
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melanar

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I just got my hands in Alprazolam 0.5mg 60 tablets.
Is this the generic of Xanax?
Hoe much would i need to take to be out qith the charcoal in my car?
 
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Formic acid is not illegal - it's used by beekeepers, and for all sorts of other purposes. Nobody ever asked me what I wanted it for.
Sulphuric acid is battery acid. It's also used to influence the PH level of swimming pools.
I don't know any country in which these products are impossible to get.
Private situations will of course differ.


Yes, if you handle them well, they would.
You should in any case insulate the car, cars are not at all airtight. Simulate a space ship.
Worst are the doors, you can easily insulate them by using foils - I can make another photo if necessary.
Insulation will give you the advantage that you can, in case the PPM level is insufficient to kill you in a few seconds, simply go to sleep and never realize that you die after maybe 20 minutes, at a PPM level of just 1600.
One of the typical car problems is that the CO escapes before that happens, because no insulation is used

Then how do some people succeed with very little charcoal not just one but 2 peole in same car? They didnt insulate their cars
 
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Guys about generators on petrol. I rented one and i was trying ctb in forest. Unlucky i cannot turn it on because im too weak (starter cord engine). This guy in shop turn it on after i gave it back to them so gen was working. Its advice for really weak mens like me and womens here.
Sry for english.
 
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To help some people, I did a test with a portable generator, Generac 2000 watt. I have a crew cab pick up, approx 6.2 m cubed in volume on the interior. I did not tape my doors or air vents. Started the generator and put in the truck with a TPI 707 CO meter. Within 15 minutes the CO went up to 3000, at 30 minutes it hit 7500, and made it to 9600 at 40 minutes. The generators started to slow down as the oxygen was being depleted.
Can you maybe be more specific about the generator you used? Most generators don't produce much co
 
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Hi there so i'm planning to do this method by running a generator in my car and taping all the vents and whatnot shut. My question is if this generator will work? It's the honda eu3000i, it's 3000 watts & 120v. Just wondering if it'll work because I only really have about 2 hours to do this when I am planning too and some people are saying you should run certain generators for a period of time beforehand and i'm just wondering exactly what I should be doing, thanks all.
 
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Hello. I’m new. And thinking of using this method. Since there’s some guidelines on gas generators like EPA and CARB, will purchasing one with a higher voltage work better and guarantee a higher carbon monoxide?

I just purchased one that was 900v but since I had to use oil and gas for it to work I’m returning it.
 
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Hello. I’m new. And thinking of using this method. Since there’s some guidelines on gas generators like EPA and CARB, will purchasing one with a higher voltage work better and guarantee a higher carbon monoxide?

I just purchased one that was 900v but since I had to use oil and gas for it to work I’m returning it.

Portable electricity generators (sometimes called aggregators) which work with oil (it consumes little of it) and gasoline creates lots of CO. All gasoline working machinery (leafblowers etc.) does but not as much as generators.

I would assume that more power means it might create it little more. I have read that portable generators exhaust air has 50000ppm CO in it. Some might have little more or less?

I haven't read that any of them had converters yet. At least in Europe they don't. But I don't know what they sell in the USA. You could ask others here which model is fine.

In Peacefull Pill book advice is to get the level to 10 000ppm (for 100% sure and 100% fast and painless way) and do test run with CO meter first.

If you write few messages more you can use pm (personal messages).
 
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Powdered zinc can be mixed with calcium carbonate and heated to produce carbon monoxide.” (PPeH)
This could be interesting for some of us, because some of us will find it alot easier to get those ingredients then sulfuric acid and this should be significantly more predictable then charcoal. This can simply be done with a hotplate on a timer in your bathroom.
Where do I purchase the powder zinc and calcium carbonate and is there anything else I need and how do I properly set everything up?
Weber briquettes seem a lot better
Were would can i get these Weber briquettes? Would regular briquettes work that use to cook on the grill work?
 
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Powdered zinc can be mixed with calcium carbonate and heated to produce carbon monoxide.” (PPeH)
This could be interesting for some of us, because some of us will find it alot easier to get those ingredients then sulfuric acid and this should be significantly more predictable then charcoal. This can simply be done with a hotplate on a timer in your bathroom.
Where do I purchase the powder zinc and calcium carbonate and is there anything else I need and how do I properly set everything up?

Were would can i get these Weber briquettes? Would regular briquettes work that use to cook on the grill work?
Would like to know more about the zinc and calcium: where to secure them; amounts to be mixed, amount needed for sure results, cooking time and time to secure completion. Thanks.
 
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Can you maybe be more specific about the generator you used? Most generators don't produce much co
What??? Do generators have converters in USA already?
Last year in American news it said in few years some models made in USA could have converters.
In Europe they all produce about 50000ppm CO in it's exhaust air. You can ask the seller if generators have converters before buying (it's safety issue and it could smell less so it's normal thing to ask)
Stanley is American but it's portable generators don't have converter. I'm not sure if they are made in USA though.

35 ppm (0.0035%), (0.035‰)Headache and dizziness within six to eight hours of constant exposure
100 ppm (0.01%), (0.1‰)Slight headache in two to three hours
200 ppm (0.02%), (0.2‰)Slight headache within two to three hours; loss of judgment
400 ppm (0.04%), (0.4‰)Frontal headache within one to two hours
800 ppm (0.08%), (0.8‰)Dizziness, nausea, and convulsions within 45 min; insensible within 2 hours
1,600 ppm (0.16%), (1.6‰)Headache, increased heart rate, dizziness, and nausea within 20 min; death in less than 2 hours
3,200 ppm (0.32%), (3.2‰)Headache, dizziness and nausea in five to ten minutes. Death within 30 minutes.
6,400 ppm (0.64%), (6.4‰)Headache and dizziness in one to two minutes. Convulsions, respiratory arrest, and death in less than 20 minutes.
12,800 ppm (1.28%), (12.8‰)Unconsciousness after 2–3 breaths. Death in less than three minutes.
I think that people loose consciousness or fall in sleep and then are knocked out fast in other 2 high levels too. I read in euthanasia site that with 10000ppm unconsciousness in 1-2 breaths and 1-3 min to die.

It's weird how it's not said with the carts that many die without any symptoms every year. Family members have died in same house to CO where others were fine and in car while one adult is shoveling snow etc. If they had symptoms they would open the door in car and everyone would complain and tell others.
 
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Portable electricity generators (sometimes called aggregators) which work with oil (it consumes little of it) and gasoline creates lots of CO. All gasoline working machinery (leafblowers etc.) does but not as much as generators.

I would assume that more power means it might create it little more. I have read that portable generators exhaust air has 50000ppm CO in it. Some might have little more or less?

I haven't read that any of them had converters yet. At least in Europe they don't. But I don't know what they sell in the USA. You could ask others here which model is fine.

In Peacefull Pill book advice is to get the level to 10 000ppm (for 100% sure and 100% fast and painless way) and do test run with CO meter first.

If you write few messages more you can use pm (personal messages).
Is it ok for a generator to have a converter? Which generator is preferable to get high carbon monoxide? Could using a generator and charcoal in a small bedroom work also?
 

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