[Method] Carbon monoxide megathread

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Hi, this will be the megathread for the carbon monoxide method.

I have some questions about the charcoal method, is it a simple method to do? Like buying charcoal and setting it or there is some steps and setup to follow

The ppeh gives low rating for preparation but good rating for reliability, peacefulness and quickness
 
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Hi, this will be the megathread for the carbon monoxide method.

I have some questions about the charcoal method, is it a simple method to do? Like buying charcoal and setting it or there is some steps and setup to follow

The ppeh gives low rating for preparation but good rating for reliability, peacefulness and quickness
Good thread is this going to be placed under the partners megathread - could do with more information on the planning stages what’s needed to successfully carry this off I’m sure there’s people out there who can provide more info on this
 
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First off there's a post on 8chan that includes some important details https://8ch.net/suicide/res/36746.html

For those who's only possible location is in a tent I'll be writing up a post with my plan to avoid the tent melting etc etc and my reasoning for the details in my method because I know some people disagree with entering the tent at the same time as your charcoal. However I believe most ill-effects actually come from smoke and the toxic gases in smoke, if you wait until all smoking and flames have stopped, charcoal will still produce CO for hours until completely turned to ash. If there are no flames and little airflow then you know CO is being produced.

I'll be using a chimney starter like this post suggests just to be sure I have evenly burning charcoal, also be using a steel bucket and a tray of cold water to catch the downward heat. Upwards heat once the flames have stopped can be intense but it dissipates quickly. My tent is 100cm high in it's highest points so I'll probably place the bucket/tray in the centre of the tent and curl around it with some headphones in after taking some pills and drink.

I'll make another post with detailed explanation of my plan and a little diagram very soon before I go, watch out for it and if I don't respond again you'll know it was successful and the info can be archived.
 
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Also: @lifesucks

The preparation is difficult because, well for me it's going to basically take a full day of gathering materials. but the method itself, if pulled off correctly, is supposed to be very peaceful and even if there were nausea/headache it's still much better than the panic and pain induced by some other methods like pills with no benzos or hanging. I will be brutally honest here but the stories I hear about extreme vomiting and backing out of the method don't ring true to me, because I've made a failed attempt at this before and well.. I felt nothing at all. I only backed out because my location was bad and the method action wasn't fast enough.

Find a location where you're able to sleep with your coals, even lower concentrations will be lethal so long as you don't skimp massively on the charcoal quantity. If you're asleep then whether it takes 1 hour or 5 hours, you won't know either way.

Edit: from the 8chan thread ">>39597

Some people speculate that you bypass the nausea, dizziness, and headaches that accompany CO poisoning by sitting outside and letting it build up but with a small area like vehicle, bathroom, or tent the levels will climb fast enough that it shouldn't make a difference. It will work both ways."
 
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I've got a feeling nobody will be able to answer me here but I have a question regarding hydrostatic head of tents. I see people say "at least 3000mm for burning charcoal" but I'm really curious how the permeability to water of something links to the permeability of gas, namely CO. It's all well and good saying "at least 3000mm" as a wild guess just because it's very waterproof but I have a feeling permeability of gas may be more complicated.

The tents I'm looking at are made from polyester with taped seams so I'm curious if this would affect the permeability. I wouldn't suggest using a tent with an outer flysheet because this is the part that is waterproof and so sealing the bottom of the fly sheet would be tough, and CO sinks in air so if the bottom of the tent isn't sealed it would likely dissipate too quickly and not fill the tent.
 
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I've got a feeling nobody will be able to answer me here but I have a question regarding hydrostatic head of tents. I see people say "at least 3000mm for burning charcoal" but I'm really curious how the permeability to water of something links to the permeability of gas, namely CO. It's all well and good saying "at least 3000mm" as a wild guess just because it's very waterproof but I have a feeling permeability of gas may be more complicated.

The tents I'm looking at are made from polyester with taped seams so I'm curious if this would affect the permeability. I wouldn't suggest using a tent with an outer flysheet because this is the part that is waterproof and so sealing the bottom of the fly sheet would be tough, and CO sinks in air so if the bottom of the tent isn't sealed it would likely dissipate too quickly and not fill the tent.
Haven't seen much definitive info on permeability. This thread might help though: https://8ch.net/suicide/res/35948.html

There is someone who got CO poisoned inside a tent, but it's an accident, brought the grill in to keep it off the rain. To be on the safe side, just buy the best quality one, and tape areas that feels like needing more taping, even if it seems redundant.
 
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Also: @lifesucks

The preparation is difficult because, well for me it's going to basically take a full day of gathering materials. but the method itself, if pulled off correctly, is supposed to be very peaceful and even if there were nausea/headache it's still much better than the panic and pain induced by some other methods like pills with no benzos or hanging. I will be brutally honest here but the stories I hear about extreme vomiting and backing out of the method don't ring true to me, because I've made a failed attempt at this before and well.. I felt nothing at all. I only backed out because my location was bad and the method action wasn't fast enough.

Find a location where you're able to sleep with your coals, even lower concentrations will be lethal so long as you don't skimp massively on the charcoal quantity. If you're asleep then whether it takes 1 hour or 5 hours, you won't know either way.

Edit: from the 8chan thread ">>39597

Some people speculate that you bypass the nausea, dizziness, and headaches that accompany CO poisoning by sitting outside and letting it build up but with a small area like vehicle, bathroom, or tent the levels will climb fast enough that it shouldn't make a difference. It will work both ways."
Thanks but what about the charcoal type or quality? Does every type of charcoal works?
 
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Thanks but what about the charcoal type or quality? Does every type of charcoal works?
https://sanctionedsuicide.net/threads/i-have-failed-with-carbon-monoxide-method.673/#post-8554

This guy used Weber briqs and failed. I don't get it, it seemed like he did everything right, used a chimney starter, brought them in after the smoke has gone etc. I've been having my doubts because of this. Could the car have not been sealed enough? Or maybe you still have to "tough it out" if you suddenly wake up/still awake before finally losing consciousness.
 
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https://sanctionedsuicide.net/threads/i-have-failed-with-carbon-monoxide-method.673/#post-8554

This guy used Weber briqs and failed. I don't get it, it seemed like he did everything right, used a chimney starter, brought them in after the smoke has gone etc. I've been having my doubts because of this. Could the car have not been sealed enough? Or maybe you still have to "tough it out" if you suddenly wake up/still awake before finally losing consciousness.
50 mins in the chimney starter seems too long. Also, letting the CO build up might be a bad idea. When getting into the car, you inevitably let out CO and let air in. Getting hit with a sudden high concentration might be worse than going to sleep while the concentration builds up. I would take benzos/alcohol before and get in with the smouldering coals.
 
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Has anyone thought about using sulfuric acid and formic acid instead of charcoal? Seems to me it could be simpler and take less time than waiting for charcoal to burn and possibly attracting attention. I don't know much about it yet but would be curious about everyone else's opinions
 
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What I meant is burning charcoal inside a small car. Sorry
Oh right. No need to be sorry just a misunderstanding. Small cars are a good way to have a small atmosphere and privacy etc. It is certainly what I plan on using.

I am just wondering if mixing acids would be easier and faster than having to burn charcoal.

Either way I plan on covering all the windows so people can't see inside and leaving signs explaining there is toxic gas and to call emergency services rather than trying to open the car.
 
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Oh right. No need to be sorry just a misunderstanding. Small cars are a good way to have a small atmosphere and privacy etc. It is certainly what I plan on using.

I am just wondering if mixing acids would be easier and faster than having to burn charcoal.

Either way I plan on covering all the windows so people can't see inside and leaving signs explaining there is toxic gas and to call emergency services rather than trying to open the car.
But if you open the door, will the gas move out?
 
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Has anyone thought about using sulfuric acid and formic acid instead of charcoal? Seems to me it could be simpler and take less time than waiting for charcoal to burn and possibly attracting attention. I don't know much about it yet but would be curious about everyone else's opinions
That’s my plan B. I have my gas generator with wash chamber assembled and have the chems. 98% S & 95%F. The stoichiometry has it at about 32L of CO evolved given my additional reaction reseviour design.

Refer to this thread for other info: https://sanctionedsuicide.net/threads/formic-acid-sulphuric-acid-method.233/#post-16989
 
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That’s my plan B. I have my gas generator with wash chamber assembled and have the chems. 98% S & 95%F. The stoichiometry has it at about 32L of CO evolved given my additional reaction reseviour design.

Refer to this thread for other info: https://sanctionedsuicide.net/threads/formic-acid-sulphuric-acid-method.233/#post-16989
I also plan on using this method. It's my plan A though. Plan B is charcoal. Mixing sulfuric and formic acid looks quite easy, the reaction is very mild and highly controllable.

Do you think a washing chamber is necessary? I assumed just mixing 1L of sulfuric and formic acid in a big glass jug should be more than enough for a small car.
Would you mind sharing how you constructed your washing chamber?
 
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The washing chamber is to eliminate formic (much less sulfuric) fumes. I doubled up on reaction chambers for reliability and quantity assurance. This all will be housed in a giant Rubbermaid in the event the chamber(s) broke for some reason; mixing still occurs.
 
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Your setup looks great! I was considering using an oxygen mask too, but if you're doing it alone there might be a slim chance of the mask slipping off your face. In case of convulsions, which can happen with co intoxication, and no one around to assist you it's probably wise to tape the mask to your face. What do you think, am I overthinking this?
 
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Your setup looks great! I was considering using an oxygen mask too, but if you're doing it alone there might be a slim chance of the mask slipping off your face. In case of convulsions, which can happen with co intoxication, and no one around to assist you it's probably wise to tape the mask to your face. What do you think, am I overthinking this?
It’s a possibility, what’s more is the small bore of the mask actually creates a great deal of back-pressure, which is why I’ll most likely just have it in my car and let it build for 10minutes or so.

I have an escape air bottle I’ve secured that allows me to stay in the car while concentration builds. When I’m ready I’ll just stop using it and breathe deep until unconscious.
 
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Powdered zinc can be mixed with calcium carbonate and heated to produce carbon monoxide.” (PPeH)
This could be interesting for some of us, because some of us will find it alot easier to get those ingredients then sulfuric acid and this should be significantly more predictable then charcoal. This can simply be done with a hotplate on a timer in your bathroom.
 
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I've picked my camp site.

https://www.ukcampsite.co.uk

I was going to just park on a road at night but a site is better. You don't look suspicious lighting up plus as your off the public roads you can get drunk and benzoed up without worry a passing cop asks what your upto then nicks you for being unfit to be in charge of a vehicle.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9525112/Fathers-carbon-monoxide-plea-after-son-died-cooking-burgers.html
Two things !! He wanted to be on his own for a few days was this really a suicide made to look like an accident as that’s what I’m thinking

And two his mum said he was the best son in the world ... along with her other son!! You can only have one being the best love not two !!!!

Two hundred and fifty people came to his funeral, he was popular, it's just sad none of them were around at the moment he needed a bit of help, but that is because he chose to be on his own for a while."

His mother, Elisabeth Holmes, added: "He was the best son in the world along with my other son."
 
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Two things !! He wanted to be on his own for a few days was this really a suicide made to look like an accident as that’s what I’m thinking
Yeah, I think suicide but made to look accidental.
Chose to be on his own for a bit !
Friends wernt there when he needed them !
Jehova witness leaflets on dashboard !!!

Also, he was at a campsite with, it seems, no tent. Sleeping upright in a small van with a pillow. Very odd.
But not odd if he just wanted to die. There is just one thing missing....a note.
 
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Hi

Does anyone have any advice on using formic/ sulphuric acid for carbon monoxide? A room c2m by 1 1/2 m should be ok hopefully. Peaceful pill got a weird mixing device, but when I tested just combining them produced carbon monoxide ok. Thanks
 

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