[Discussion] Callie Lewis (again)

  • Welcome to Sanctioned Suicide, a pro-choice forum for the discussion of mental illness, suicide, and the moral implications of the act itself. This is not a pro-suicide site. We do not encourage or aid suicide, and the information offered is for educational purposes only. Read our rules and FAQ for more information. We also offer a recovery subforum if you wish to get support.

    You can close this box by clicking the top right "X".

a.n.kirillov

a.n.kirillov

velle non discitur
Nov 17, 2019
493
611
Please note I am addressing your statement, not you as a person. And you are not the only one who has made such a statement. This is just one quote.

It is not the new members who are being put under scrutiny, but their statements.

It is indeed sensible to do so.

Say there was a playground. Lots of children around. One group of kids stayed together at the swings, and these swings were too small for adults. All the kids had skinned knees, and they all were crying because their knees hurt, and because they'd heard on the news that there were adults who wanted to destroy the swing set. There were no other swing sets, this was the only one that allowed kids with skinned knees.

A little person who was an adult dressed in child's clothing, raised the pitch of their voice to sound like a child, put some fake dried blood on their knee, and cried fake tears. They went up to the swings and said, "I want to swing, too! I'm really safe, I have a hurt knee, I'm crying, and I am for sure not a stranger danger, I've heard about them!"

Some of the kids invited that person to join. It's a pretty welcoming group of kids.

But one of the kids noticed there was something off. They spoke up. They said, "Hold on a minute. Your voice sounds funny. I have fake blood at home that looks just like what's on your knee. No offense, but some people can fake crying. And why did you bring up not being a stranger danger when you're a kid? Stranger dangers are adults! And there are other adults who want to destroy our swings. I think we need to know more before we're sure you're safe to play with us."

The fake kid cried harder. They said in their fake voice, "Why are you being so mean to me? There's something wrong with you! You are overly suspicious! You hurt my feelings! It makes my knee hurt even more! I thought these swings were for me, too! I'm so lonely, I don't know anyone else with a hurt knee, or with nice swings, and you won't let me play. You're not very nice. You should be ashamed. I don't know why you are saying these things!"

Some of the kids hopped off the swings and hugged the adult to try to comfort them, and asked them to come play on the swings together and talk about their hurt knee and why they don't have any swings of their own and about the mean adults who want to take away their swing set.

Some of the kids agreed with the kid who spoke up, and said so, while others went somewhere safe.

Some of the kids ran to the playground monitor and said the new kid was maybe not a kid.

Some of the kids ran to the playground monitor and said the kid who spoke up was bullying.

Some of the kids who saw all this said, "We shouldn't put every new kid under scrutiny. It's not very sensible." Some said, "We should be nicer and more welcoming." Some of the kids who originally doubted the fake kid felt very, very bad about themselves. They said they were sorry, and asked how they could help.

The adult pretending to be a kid can do several things now:

The adult can say everyone is a bunch of mean bullies and go home. Then the next time a pretend kid shows up everyone will be ashamed, and doubt themselves, and invite the fake kid to join and cry and play.

The adult can accept the comfort and keep crying about how mean the others are and how bad their knee hurts and how no one lets them play. When enough kids are on their side, they will stay and play, and start telling those kids how to play, and push some of them off the swings.

Then other fake kids scattered around the playground will see that it's safe for them to come join in on the swings and the crying. They'll start pushing off the legit kids and break the swing set so no one can use it anymore.

I notice no playground monitors have stepped in to call anyone a bully or a fake adult.

But I'm concerned when someone tells me I'm not being sensible when I am, or that I'm not being nice when I'm noticing out loud and not attacking. I won't stop being sensible or noticing, but the other kids who heard it might.
I'm sorry but this went over my head. What I meant was that we shouldn't be hostile or openly suspicious towards new members, who might be in a very vulnerable psychological state, that's all. In actuality it doesn't really matter whether they are fake accounts or not; because if something we do or say here should in any way make us a target for criminal charges, it is all well documented in other threads anyway. I wouldn't behave any different towards an undercover journalist who pretends to be a new member than to a genuine new member. And why should I?
 
Empty Smile

Empty Smile

Illuminated
Jul 13, 2018
1,713
7,725
Quick question....

I didn't watch the documentary, as I get bored fairly easy watching those types of things.

At any point in that documentary, was this site mentioned?

I ask because some of the things I read about Callie, nobody would say the name of the site. They did so as to not encourage others with issues would not come here.
 
  • Like
Reactions: voyager
lovemelovemenot

lovemelovemenot

what's the use...?
Jun 22, 2019
69
256
Quick question....

I didn't watch the documentary, as I get bored fairly easy watching those types of things.

At any point in that documentary, was this site mentioned?

I ask because some of the things I read about Callie, nobody would say the name of the site. They did so as to not encourage others with issues would not come here.
No, the specific name was never mentioned. They always labeled it as a "suicide form".
 
Empty Smile

Empty Smile

Illuminated
Jul 13, 2018
1,713
7,725
No, the specific name was never mentioned. They always labeled it as a "suicide form".
So that really contradicts what some of these new users are saying about coming here right after watching the video...

Guess it's time for me to get my "This User is Full Of Shit" kit back out.

Thanks for the reply!
 
Quarky00

Quarky00

Illuminated
Dec 17, 2019
1,000
2,024
--- No, the specific name was never mentioned. They always labeled it as a "suicide form".
So that really contradicts what some of these new users are saying about coming here right after watching the video...
Not really , if you google "Callie Lewis suicide forum" you do get this place ;) Good job Panorama ! LOL .. Idiots made this easier actually easier to find!


I'm just noting that fact -- I do agree with your sentiments , about being cautious (though not over defensive/aggressive)
 
Last edited:
HannahB

HannahB

Death is the true name of time.
Oct 29, 2019
189
553
Dont you worry my dear everything is duel nature. They can attempt to war against death and darkness as they see it but they can never win because in winning they distroy life. This site and these concepts exist as a nature of reality and therefore cannot be distroyed. The NHS the HHS the whatever can war against death all they want but in doing so in promoting life they inevitably create more death, in a way them being assholes is what makes this website exist.
 
lovemelovemenot

lovemelovemenot

what's the use...?
Jun 22, 2019
69
256
So that really contradicts what some of these new users are saying about coming here right after watching the video...

Guess it's time for me to get my "This User is Full Of Shit" kit back out.

Thanks for the reply!
Yeah, it is a little odd. Just googling "suicide fourm" takes you to multiple other sites before this one even pops up. But, I kinda don't care enough to speculate or throw accusations around. I'd just hope more people are being cautious with who they interact with and using a vpn incase someone wants to play hero.

*noted that if you do add her name it pops up sooner, but people should still be careful with all the attention on this place now
 
Quarky00

Quarky00

Illuminated
Dec 17, 2019
1,000
2,024
@ceasetobreathe03 , The post was disrespectful and disregarding . This often turns to mistrust .

Hard to treat disrespect with patience . Though possible . ;)
 
  • Love
Reactions: ceasetobreathe03
GoodPersonEffed

GoodPersonEffed

Pensively Prolific
Jan 11, 2020
1,023
1,479
I'm sorry but this went over my head. What I meant was that we shouldn't be hostile or openly suspicious towards new members, who might be in a very vulnerable psychological state, that's all. In actuality it doesn't really matter whether they are fake accounts or not; because if something we do or say here should in any way make us a target for criminal charges, it is all well documented in other threads anyway. I wouldn't behave any different towards an undercover journalist who pretends to be a new member than to a genuine new member. And why should I?
Well, I think when you use "we", you're referring to yourself and including others, and I don't want to be included. You suggested we not put new members under scrutiny, that it's not sensible. I think that so far the actions, not the new members, have warranted questioning. What you suggest reminds me of how children who are abused are manipulated into being made responsible for how the perpetrator feels and acts. The suggestion and the use of should directed at "we" feels negating. So I am not included in your "we."

I am utterly confused by your criminal charges comment.

Respectfully, if you want to treat a journalist pretending to be a new member and a genuine new member exactly the same, that's totally your right, I don't have to tell you why you "should" treat them differently because you control you, not me. There is no "should" involved. But nor do you get to decide the "should" for my actions either.
 
  • Like
Reactions: charlottewilts
voyager

voyager

Don't you dare go hollow...
Nov 25, 2019
380
696
Quick question....

I didn't watch the documentary, as I get bored fairly easy watching those types of things.

At any point in that documentary, was this site mentioned?

I ask because some of the things I read about Callie, nobody would say the name of the site. They did so as to not encourage others with issues would not come here.
I feel you, and you didn't miss much. Just let it play out in your head with the usual narrative and you kinda have. Well, I did, and that's 30mins I won't get back, but I wanted them to say their piece just in case I'd be overly harsh on them. All I can tell you is that what Callie wanted and why was never considered or mentioned. It was all about what others thought best for her, even if that meant locking her up. Anyway, didn't agree with anyone on the programme, but I think what her mother said at the funeral was the worst, "she'd always imagined her living to the age of 90, surrounded by cats, and still saying she wanted to die".

Now, I don't want to overly hard on her. She's in immense grief and a total mess, but seemed authentic, which is why I sympathise to a degree, but she's completely clueless not seeing the contradiction in that.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Empty Smile
Sensei

Sensei

Illuminated
Nov 4, 2019
1,161
2,223
I'm sure there are several impostors here, and they need to be weeded out just like in any other forum. However, I don't think they're capable of doing much damage, as they don't know how to connect with people who know real pain since they don't know it themselves. Platitudes won't convince anyone around here.

That said, there are ways a very intelligent impostor could do some serious damage, which I obviously won't go into here, but I think it's very unlikely that we're going to encounter anyone like that.
 
voyager

voyager

Don't you dare go hollow...
Nov 25, 2019
380
696
I'm sure there are several impostors here, and they need to be weeded out just like in any other forum. However, I don't think they're capable of doing much damage, as they don't know how to connect with people who know real pain since they don't know it themselves. Platitudes won't convince anyone around here.

That said, there are ways a very intelligent impostor could do some serious damage, which I obviously won't go into here, but I think it's very unlikely that we're going to encounter anyone like that.
Agree, which is why it doesn't worry me too much, because really one just needs to take the same precautions as on the outside. Don't trust everyone. Having said that, I do feel that the vast majority of people here are indeed authentic. There's simply little purpose in playing this game for months on end. Exceptions are of course the partner's megathread, ghouling and shady dealings behind the scenes. What you called a highly intelligent impostor, a long con.

Well, I'm too stupid for that, dear Sensei, although I'd say that too if I was, wouldn't I, even this to gain your confidence by admitting it. Scary shit. :hihi:

Now downplaying it as a joke, haha, no, no, not fooling anyone around here. :devil:

PS: Thought of another angle, but that one is downright evil.
 
Last edited:
charlottewilts

charlottewilts

PITY PARTY
Jun 15, 2019
343
1,208
i have to agree with @GoodPersonEffed here. they raise some very good points. OP, if your feelings are genuine, please accept my sincerest apologies. but it is hard not to be sceptical of new members making these kinds of posts in the light of recent events.

That video creeps me out. Why is there a woman talking without sound? She's not even doing sign language so what's the point of her standing there talking?
going by the fiverr watermark, i'd guess it's a lacklustre montage someone threw together quickly.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: GoodPersonEffed
Sensei

Sensei

Illuminated
Nov 4, 2019
1,161
2,223
Agree, which is why it doesn't worry me too much, because really one just needs to take the same precautions as on the outside. Don't trust everyone. Having said that, I do feel that the vast majority of people here are indeed authentic. There's simply little purpose in playing this game for months on end. Exceptions are of course the partner's megathread, ghouling and shady dealings behind the scenes. What you called a highly intelligent impostor, a long con.

Well, I'm too stupid for that, dear Sensei, although I'd say that too if I was, wouldn't I, even this to gain your confidence by admitting it. Scary shit. :hihi:

Now downplaying it as a joke, haha, no, no, not fooling anyone around here. :devil:

PS: Thought of another angle, but that one is downright evil.
I'll be watching you from now on. :wink:
 
  • Wow
Reactions: voyager
GoodPersonEffed

GoodPersonEffed

Pensively Prolific
Jan 11, 2020
1,023
1,479
I'm sure there are several impostors here, and they need to be weeded out just like in any other forum. However, I don't think they're capable of doing much damage, as they don't know how to connect with people who know real pain since they don't know it themselves. Platitudes won't convince anyone around here.

That said, there are ways a very intelligent impostor could do some serious damage, which I obviously won't go into here, but I think it's very unlikely that we're going to encounter anyone like that.
I was with you until "but I think it's very unlikely that we're going to encounter anyone like that."

That's like a doctor saying, "There is a chance this surgery could do some very serious damage to you, which I obviously won't go into here, but I think it's very unlikely you're going to experience anything like that. So, let's move on to the anesthesia, shall we?"

As you said, platitudes won't convince anyone around here.

Not arguing against you, just against the logic you're using here.
 
Sensei

Sensei

Illuminated
Nov 4, 2019
1,161
2,223
I was with you until "but I think it's very unlikely that we're going to encounter anyone like that."

That's like a doctor saying, "There is a chance this surgery could do some very serious damage to you, which I obviously won't go into here, but I think it's very unlikely you're going to experience anything like that. So, let's move on to the anesthesia, shall we?"

As you said, platitudes won't convince anyone around here.

Not arguing against you, just against the logic you're using here.
Did I post platitudes? Maybe I was. You imply that some action should be taken. I'd say that it's enough to inform the mods if you suspect foul play. However, there's a less than marginal risk that they will be flooded with not so well thought through accusations. An alternative is that a few members who trust each other form a viigilante group and monitor suspicious threads, but that feels like overkill to me.
 
GoodPersonEffed

GoodPersonEffed

Pensively Prolific
Jan 11, 2020
1,023
1,479
Did I post platitudes? Maybe I was. You imply that some action should be taken. I'd say that it's enough to inform the mods if you suspect foul play. However, there's a less than marginal risk that they will be flooded with not so well thought through accusations. An alternative is that a few members who trust each other form a viigilante group and monitor suspicious threads, but that feels like overkill to me.
I made no implication whatsoever by pointing out the logic was not sound. I stated I was not arguing with you but with the logic.

Wikipedia definition of platitude: A platitude is a trite, meaningless, or prosaic statement, often used as a thought-terminating cliché, aimed at quelling social, emotional, or cognitive unease. Platitudes have been criticized as giving a false impression of wisdom, making it easy to accept falsehoods.

Again, this is not personal or arguing, it is debating.

You made a statement about your certainty of imposters, and then quelled the unease with seemingly wise logic that actually encouraged a lowering of vigilance and self-protective boundaries, making it easier to accept imposters. Therefore the logic is not sound. That is my implication-free assertion.
 
Sensei

Sensei

Illuminated
Nov 4, 2019
1,161
2,223
I made no implication whatsoever by pointing out the logic was not sound. I stated I was not arguing with you but with the logic.

Wikipedia definition of platitude: A platitude is a trite, meaningless, or prosaic statement, often used as a thought-terminating cliché, aimed at quelling social, emotional, or cognitive unease. Platitudes have been criticized as giving a false impression of wisdom, making it easy to accept falsehoods.

Again, this is not personal or arguing, it is debating.

You made a statement about your certainty of imposters, and then quelled the unease with seemingly wise logic that actually encouraged a lowering of vigilance and self-protective boundaries, making it easier to accept imposters. Therefore the logic is not sound. That is my implication-free assertion.
It was rather meant to be a simple probability analysis, but I guess it somehow can be seen as a platitude too. I'd say that the general understanding of a platitude is that it's a cliché and a "forced axiom", though. Well, whatever floats your boat. (That, on the other hand, can definitely be regarded as a platitude.)
 
  • Like
Reactions: Indieblue
k75

k75

L'appel du Vide
Jun 27, 2019
1,645
3,301
You made a statement about your certainty of imposters, and then quelled the unease with seemingly wise logic that actually encouraged a lowering of vigilance and self-protective boundaries, making it easier to accept imposters. Therefore the logic is not sound. That is my implication-free assertion.
I don't want to overstep, but I do tend to agree with the statements that we probably don't need to worry so much. My logic is based on past experience. We do have a precedent.

When Shawn Shatto became publicized, this exact same situation happened. Media coverage, the forum was flooded with suspect new accounts, distrust and paranoia rose. Ultimately, nothing catastrophic occurred. We'll get through this too.
 
GoodPersonEffed

GoodPersonEffed

Pensively Prolific
Jan 11, 2020
1,023
1,479
I don't want to overstep, but I do tend to agree with the statements that we probably don't need to worry so much. My logic is based on past experience. We do have a precedent.

When Shawn Shatto became publicized, this exact same situation happened. Media coverage, the forum was flooded with suspect new accounts, distrust and paranoia rose. Ultimately, nothing catastrophic occurred. We'll get through this too.
If you are overstepping, it is that you took my quote out of context to argue with it and make a point.

Again, I disagreed with someone's logic, not their stance. That is the source of the quote.
 
k75

k75

L'appel du Vide
Jun 27, 2019
1,645
3,301
I wasn't arguing. I was, however, hypothesizing on @Sensei's logic.
 
  • Love
Reactions: Mm80
GoodPersonEffed

GoodPersonEffed

Pensively Prolific
Jan 11, 2020
1,023
1,479
I wasn't arguing. I was, however, hypothesizing on @Sensei's logic.
Then I respectfully suggest that you quote @Sensei to do so. Again, you took my quote out of context to make a point.
 
k75

k75

L'appel du Vide
Jun 27, 2019
1,645
3,301
Then I respectfully suggest that you quote @Sensei to do so. Again, you took my quote out of context to make a point.
I quoted you because I was telling you about what I thought about what they had said. Whatever. I'm done. I didn't mean to upset anyone.
 
  • Love
Reactions: voyager and Mm80
GoodPersonEffed

GoodPersonEffed

Pensively Prolific
Jan 11, 2020
1,023
1,479
I quoted you because I was telling you about what I thought about what they had said. Whatever. I'm done. I didn't mean to upset anyone.
I'm not upset. I was placing and maintaining a boundary.

Because of your response here, I see where the misunderstanding occurred:


Logic deals with principles of reasoning.

I argued with @Sensei's logic that he used to support his reasoning.

You appear to have thought I was arguing with his reasoning. You supported his reasoning and explained it to me. But the context of my quote was about his logic.

The disagreement between you and I was that you believed we were having the same conversation, but we were not.

Does that make sense?
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: k75
Sensei

Sensei

Illuminated
Nov 4, 2019
1,161
2,223
GoodPersonEffed, this is not meant as an attack on your person in any respect. As you probably have figured out by now, I'm not sensitive, when it comes to online interaction that is, but there are others that might be. Many of us are deeply depressed, in disarray, confused, mentally ill, on strong medicines, insecure, not very articulate, not very good at English, and so on. In other words, our reasoning may not always be as sharp as one might wish. It's perfectly alright, at least as far as I'm concerned, to point out that someone's logic is faulty, but it wouldn't hurt if you used a slightly softer tone. Just my two cents.

(I don't claim to speak for everyone when I use "we". I simply feel that I would sound condescending if I didn't. I don't know if it makes sense.)
 
  • Love
Reactions: Mm80
GoodPersonEffed

GoodPersonEffed

Pensively Prolific
Jan 11, 2020
1,023
1,479
GoodPersonEffed, this is not meant as an attack on your person in any respect. As you probably have figured out by now, I'm not sensitive, when it comes to online interaction that is, but there are others that might be. Many of us are deeply depressed, in disarray, confused, mentally ill, on strong medicines, insecure, not very articulate, not very good at English, and so on. In other words, our reasoning may not always be as sharp as one might wish. It's perfectly alright, at least as far as I'm concerned, to point out that someone's logic is faulty, but it wouldn't hurt if you used a slightly softer tone. Just my two cents.

(I don't claim to speak for everyone when I use "we". I simply feel that I would sound condescending if I didn't. I don't know if it makes sense.)
I can see that. Thank you for the constructive criticism.
 
  • Hug
Reactions: Sensei
veren4h92l

veren4h92l

Member
Aug 15, 2019
47
44
This quote:
I kept her safe all her life and then the moment I asked for help she stops being safe and that's just very hard for me to come to terms with, I feel I made the wrong decision
She betrayed her own daughter of trust. As she says she herself needed help because she could not love Callie (was it more suitable to grab a 'diagnosis', then dump her to 'health care'?).
She also told mental health professionals that she didn't want her mum to be given any information about her treatment as she was over 18.
Where would you ever find trust and connection again when from the very start your loved ones treat you like that?

No one turns 'autistic' for fun but it's when the child feels not seen and not heard by her mother. Or maybe her brain got even poisoned with psych-drugs at young age I'm not sure Callie talked about.
I feel sorry for the mum, for her insight is late.

and this:
When we found out about the suicide website she'd been on, that set off an alarm bell - it began to feel like an obsession," says Callie's granddad, Graham Lewis.
to me it seems everyone, in particular her own family hunted her down to the far end of a one-way road where the only opt out is 'suicide'.

It's disgusting. Like they preyed on her to push their own defective samaritan-ego.

I feel very, very sorry for Callie's.
RIP
 
  • Like
Reactions: voyager
Thread starter Similar threads Forum Replies Date
I Suicide Discussion 7
H Suicide Discussion 3
Marquis Suicide Discussion 181