[Discussion] Callie Lewis (again)

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An0nymouse_97

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Hi so I watched the Callie Lewis documentary and it led me to this site. Not directly, don’t worry! But indirectly I googled ‘suicide forums’ and this came up after a number of page turns.
I was just wondering what everyone’s thoughts were on this? Although the documentary was literally how the NHS failed her, do you think she would have still tried SN as a method to CTB if she hadn’t been on this forum? Was she more easily influenced due to her Asperger’s? I don’t blame this forum btw I blame the NHS I am just wondering what you guys think. As it says this forum doesn’t encourage suicide, yet gives methods to nearly everything to CTB? I’m just wondering what your thoughts were... and no I’m not a journalist or a part of the government or MI5, I promise. I struggle with mental health myself and find this forum helpful as it gives me directions to find peace and I know I’m not alone. I really hope it doesn’t get taken down as I’ve heard rumours from other similar threads...
 
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I watched the documentary. I don't believe she was influenced at all by the forums she posted on or the users there. It was pretty obvious she had her mind made up long before she sought out help. Also, she didn't use SN.
 
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Hello and a warm welcome.
Firstly im sure callie died from carbon monoxide poisoning, but maybe thats beside the point.
Before the forum, callie had tried to hang herself a couple of times unsuccessfully. So she was serious about ending her life before joining SS. Plus like you said, you have to go out of your way to find this website, so callie was determined. I think this forum would have led her to info on how to peacefully and responsibly end her life (there are other souces online apart from here of course) if callie wasnt on this forum i think her determination would have seen her have a much more inhumane horrible ending which traumatised others. Ie jumping in front of a train or off a tall building, due to lack of information. Or worse she could have permanently disabled herself and lived.
I think the aspergers would have contributed to her feeling suicidal, as many with the syndrome feel excluded from society for most of their lives.. Plus the nhs admitted they didnt know enough about autism. From reading her posts on here, callie was very determined and i dont think many people influenced her as her mind was set.
The forum doesnt encourage suicide, but does accept that there are suicidal people out there, and offers a place for like minded people to interact and understand and support each other. Its a pro choice forum that respects peoples rights to end or live their lives. There is also a recovery part of the forum where people who want to live are supporting each other.
As for the providing of details of suicide. People who have made their minds up usually want to know how to end their lives with as much peace, dignity and want to be sure it will work. Many people just feel comfortable with having the info/means to end their life, and this comfort keeps them alive. Many others have said that this forum has stopped them from wanting to end their lives. Nobody is ever encouraged but we accept the reality of suicide and the need for information sharing to allow people control and choice of their own fate, For those who are ready. You will meet a lot of lovely people on here. Please do have an open mind and give it a chance.
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Maybe I'm feeling overly paranoid or sensitive...but something about the tone of the OP, and the questions, and the use of "lingo" despite having just happened upon the site....it feels off.

I hope I'm wrong and OP is legit....but we are a group protective of one another....and I don't feel okay not speaking up on this.
 
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@An0nymouse_97 didn't "just happen on" the site; s/he's been here a few days asking about different methods. Maybe s/he means ... hm ... I don't know. 8\
 
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Hi so I watched the Callie Lewis documentary and it led me to this site. Not directly, don’t worry! But indirectly I googled ‘suicide forums’ and this came up after a number of page turns.
@Soul - this is what I mean by "happened upon the sight". I'm truly not trying to offend....and I apologize if my wording came off as dismissive - I can see how it might have. The post in general just struck an odd chord for me.
 
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@Soul - this is what I mean by "happened upon the sight". I'm truly not trying to offend....and I apologize if my wording came off as dismissive - I can see how it might have. The post in general just struck an odd chord for me.
I understand and wasn't offended; I find the post odd too, especially when we already have three threads about the topic. I don't know when the documentary aired, but as we can see @An0nymouse_97 joined the forum on February 10th. Maybe s/he has memory issues?
 
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In my opinion, and respectfully, of course.
This thread is a mistake, whether I already do not sounds good ad-hominem threads to me, indeed less a duplicate thread.
I am aware about free speeching for everyone is a holy thing.

I am agree anyone could have a moral debate or human debate about the death (any way of death), but have not about the dead, her or him.

It is a tradition or habit so latin and specially catholic, I did not think see it from a saxon culture, or protestant
 
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OP, do you have the link I can see the video documentary? I did Google search and all I can find are articles, no video documentary at all.
Thank you.

eta: Never mind, I found it. It in Dailymotion
DailyMotion "Failed by the NHS Callies Story - Panorama (2020) Documentary"
 
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Thanks, pls can you detail how? I assume from the BBC, a sealed tent? But how the carbon poisoning?
Pls don't quote me but I'm sure callie litva barbecue inside and sealed the tent. Rip Carrie hope you are at peace x
 
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deadjohnny

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is that lit a charcoal portable bbq in her sealed tent? Agreed RIP Callie. I sincerely pray/hope your soul is at peace.
 
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I'm really not sure it's appropriate or wise to be dissecting her method here, considering the current circumstances.
I am very sorry, pls forgive me, no hurt was intended
 
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No need to be sorry at all. Just, people are on edge right now and under scrutiny.
 
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I just love the influx of people that have come to this site using lingo that they have no clue what it means. Funny thing SN was NEVER mentioned in the documentary. But people are coming here asking for it by acronym??? Really??? :pfff: :pfff: :pfff:

Do realize that:

  1. Half of these people are imposters. Dont think because people have responded to your thread they havent caught onto you.
  2. The family from last year's passing is now reenergized and is hoping to get on board the Callie train. SN was used in that case so these may are her people too.
  3. All of these posters are hoping you start discussing suicide with them without their initiation so they can say you incited them. I find it odd that all of these people have roughly the same story and illness. Especially intrusive thoughts of harm.
  4. If these people are so suicidal why dont they have any other information before coming here??? Like this is really NOT the only place on the net that has methods. Heck I know of at least 13 students from one college that have suicided successfully without a forum in the past 7 years. If you have no other experience with suicide how did you decide this website was the holy grail???

I think everyone needs to do some personal analysis about each newcomer to ensure they dont find befriend the wrong person. Remember one of these people may be LE hoping to catch you with N!!!

I caution everyone to remain diligent about their dealings on this site. After all this is still the internet!
 
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I understand and wasn't offended; I find the post odd too, especially when we already have three threads about the topic. I don't know when the documentary aired, but as we can see @An0nymouse_97 joined the forum on February 10th. Maybe s/he has memory issues?
Memory issues? What are you on about?
@An0nymouse_97 didn't "just happen on" the site; s/he's been here a few days asking about different methods. Maybe s/he means ... hm ... I don't know. 8\
What are you saying? It doesn’t make sense
 
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Memory issues? What are you on about?

What are you saying? It doesn’t make sense
What I mean is that I don't understand why you said in this thread that you only arrived here after watching the Callie Lewis documentary when in fact you've been here for a few days inquiring about a couple of methods. But I don't know when the documentary aired, so it may be that I'm fuckked up, for which I apologise.

You did, however, ask practically the same questions about cutting in two different threads, which might be due to memory issues. We're all entitled to have issues.
 
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They could of helped her, they could worked out her cycle before it got too late.
 
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. As it says this forum doesn’t encourage suicide, yet gives methods to nearly everything to CTB?
As this gun shop owner doesn't encourage murder but sells guns to people.

As this law degree doesn't encourage tax evasion but gives people an advantage in doing so.

As this Book on coding doesn't encourage hacking into government servers but gives people the knowledge to do exactly that.

And so on ^^

Information =/= encouragement
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BTW I would much prefer if we could just resist the urge to always instantly play the blame game and aknowledge that such issues are always very complex and nuanced. But this is just my personal opinion.
 
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An0nymouse_97

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As this gun shop owner doesn't encourage murder but sells guns to people.

As this law degree doesn't encourage tax evasion but gives people an advantage in doing so.

As this Book on coding doesn't encourage hacking into government servers but gives people the knowledge to do exactly that.

And so on ^^

Information =/= encouragement
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BTW I would much prefer if we could just resist the urge to always instantly play the blame game and aknowledge that such issues are always very complex and nuanced. But this is just my personal opinion.
Never blamed this site did I? Blamed the NHS
I just love the influx of people that have come to this site using lingo that they have no clue what it means. Funny thing SN was NEVER mentioned in the documentary. But people are coming here asking for it by acronym??? Really??? :pfff: :pfff: :pfff:

Do realize that:

  1. Half of these people are imposters. Dont think because people have responded to your thread they havent caught onto you.
  2. The family from last year's passing is now reenergized and is hoping to get on board the Callie train. SN was used in that case so these may are her people too.
  3. All of these posters are hoping you start discussing suicide with them without their initiation so they can say you incited them. I find it odd that all of these people have roughly the same story and illness. Especially intrusive thoughts of harm.
  4. If these people are so suicidal why dont they have any other information before coming here??? Like this is really NOT the only place on the net that has methods. Heck I know of at least 13 students from one college that have suicided successfully without a forum in the past 7 years. If you have no other experience with suicide how did you decide this website was the holy grail???

I think everyone needs to do some personal analysis about each newcomer to ensure they dont find befriend the wrong person. Remember one of these people may be LE hoping to catch you with N!!!

I caution everyone to remain diligent about their dealings on this site. After all this is still the internet!
I’m literally not doing that...I am suicidal 24/7 you literally know nothing about me so don’t judge me.
What I mean is that I don't understand why you said in this thread that you only arrived here after watching the Callie Lewis documentary when in fact you've been here for a few days inquiring about a couple of methods. But I don't know when the documentary aired, so it may be that I'm fuckked up, for which I apologise.

You did, however, ask practically the same questions about cutting in two different threads, which might be due to memory issues. We're all entitled to have issues.
I don’t have memory loss. You’re not a doctor or a psychiatrist so don’t diagnose me please! Yes you’re wrong, I came on here the night the documentary aired.
 
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this came up after a number of page turns.
You've answered yourself . Place is for those that are determined .


SN is detailed in PPH --- Callie did not need this place to learn about SN

This is very clear to anyone exploring this site and the resource page , which you haven't :I Like HelensNepenthe said there's a dedicated thread , one should read before posting . This is not Facebook , words and members have meaning here . :heart: Sorry if you feel 'under attack' or something , you were also told previously (on a different thread) to look on the resource page . Look at the rules , etc . It appears you're not knowledgeable on several issues . I understand you are a new member , welcome :hug:


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Was she more easily influenced due to her Asperger’s?
Did you read her note? Does she sound "influenced"? She was very clear. Your suggestion is a bit insulting, sorry.


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Hi, Callie here

If you’re reading this, chances are my attempt to leave the world via carbon monoxide poisoning has been successful. Assuming it was, my death would have occurred in the early hours of the 28th August 2018 in the South Lakeland region of Cumbria, England.

If you happen to be religious, please pray for me to be treated compassionately in my next life, as I will be praying beforehand for this as well, as a relatively quick and painless death, despite my lack of religion.

Many people say suicide is selfish. To those, I would want to ask: is it not also selfish to expect someone to live, when existing seems to them intolerable?

None of us ask to be born, but we can decide when to die and in my eyes that right is fundamental; a human right, just like any other.

People stigmatise death, especially voluntary death, because to them it seems the most terrible thing they can imagine. To that, I say, what is so bad about death? The universe is so very old and will continue to exist long into the future, perhaps indefinitely. So why does it make a difference if someone dies at 20 or at 80, provided their life was not taken against their will?

As an autistic, I long for a world where autistic people can exist happily, but I’m not sure this can ever happen. I have pretty much given up on the world at this point. It’s not designed for people like me.

So who am I in this world? An autistic, chronically depressed, jobless, homeless in effect waste of space who was born into a female body but probably isn’t. Born to a teenage single mother, raised by a grandmother who is now dead and fated to a life where anything I attach to will be my undoing.

Dying isn’t something alien to me. I first began to think about suicide around the age of 7. As a child, I was intelligent and had a seemingly bright future, but that rarely translates into the adult world.

The only thing I really regret is losing the two people closest to me. Mostly, however, I am sad about losing hope, for it is only hope that keeps us going.

I’m also tired. To quote The Green Mile, “I’m tired of people being ugly to each other. I’m tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world everyday. There’s too much of it. It’s like pieces of glass in my head all the time.”


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Hello, A97. Didn't know her, can't speak for her, but as Quarky posted above, she did herself, and no one bothered to listen nor represent her point of view in a "documentary" about her life. How ironic, and how despicable. It's what she wanted and her fundamental right of self-determination, choose what she wanted to do with her life even if that meant not having one, and I'm assuming she had better insight into how she felt than anyone on the outside. If that's considered influenced or irrational in this world these days then who can blame people for becoming suicidal.
 
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Are we not being a bit harsh and defensive on the OP and assuming the worst? The person has said he/ she is 24/7 suicidal. Please keep an open mind as if this is true, we would normally offer compassion. I understamd why we are all a little sceptical at the moment, but the public attention this site has got recently may also bring genuine new members who are smilar to us. Plus we have nothing to hide.
I think the poster has been a little naive with the questions etc and can see why it looks a bit like they couls be anti SS. But thats fine for me as everyone should be free to question things.
What i would like now is for the op to share his or her conclusions. There have been a few answers here and the only way to move forward is to hear what the op thinks now.
Thanks
 
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Are we not being a bit harsh and defensive on the OP and assuming the worst? The person has said he/ she is 24/7 suicidal. Please keep an open mind as if this is true, we would normally offer compassion. I understamd why we are all a little sceptical at the moment, but the public attention this site has got recently may also bring genuine new members who are smilar to us. Plus we have nothing to hide.
I think the poster has been a little naive with the questions etc and can see why it looks a bit like they couls be anti SS. But thats fine for me as everyone should be free to question things.
What i would like now is for the op to share his or her conclusions. There have been a few answers here and the only way to move forward is to hear what the op thinks now.
Thanks
Are we not being a bit harsh and defensive on the OP and assuming the worst? The person has said he/ she is 24/7 suicidal. Please keep an open mind as if this is true, we would normally offer compassion. I understamd why we are all a little sceptical at the moment, but the public attention this site has got recently may also bring genuine new members who are smilar to us. Plus we have nothing to hide.
I think the poster has been a little naive with the questions etc and can see why it looks a bit like they couls be anti SS. But thats fine for me as everyone should be free to question things.
What i would like now is for the op to share his or her conclusions. There have been a few answers here and the only way to move forward is to hear what the op thinks now.
Thanks
Are we not being a bit harsh and defensive on the OP and assuming the worst? The person has said he/ she is 24/7 suicidal. Please keep an open mind as if this is true, we would normally offer compassion. I understamd why we are all a little sceptical at the moment, but the public attention this site has got recently may also bring genuine new members who are smilar to us. Plus we have nothing to hide.
I think the poster has been a little naive with the questions etc and can see why it looks a bit like they couls be anti SS. But thats fine for me as everyone should be free to question things.
What i would like now is for the op to share his or her conclusions. There have been a few answers here and the only way to move forward is to hear what the op thinks now.
Thanks
Are we not being a bit harsh and defensive on the OP and assuming the worst? The person has said he/ she is 24/7 suicidal. Please keep an open mind as if this is true, we would normally offer compassion. I understamd why we are all a little sceptical at the moment, but the public attention this site has got recently may also bring genuine new members who are smilar to us. Plus we have nothing to hide.
I think the poster has been a little naive with the questions etc and can see why it looks a bit like they couls be anti SS. But thats fine for me as everyone should be free to question things.
What i would like now is for the op to share his or her conclusions. There have been a few answers here and the only way to move forward is to hear what the op thinks now.
Thanks
Are we not being a bit harsh and defensive on the OP and assuming the worst? The person has said he/ she is 24/7 suicidal. Please keep an open mind as if this is true, we would normally offer compassion. I understamd why we are all a little sceptical at the moment, but the public attention this site has got recently may also bring genuine new members who are smilar to us. Plus we have nothing to hide.
I think the poster has been a little naive with the questions etc and can see why it looks a bit like they couls be anti SS. But thats fine for me as everyone should be free to question things.
What i would like now is for the op to share his or her conclusions. There have been a few answers here and the only way to move forward is to hear what the op thinks now.
Thanks
Alright alright !!! We get it !!!

:pfff:

( Sorry @Mm80 not laughing at you! prob technical error , just being humorous :hug: I was bit distressed and felt brainwashed lol :haha: )
 
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Oh man we should stop putting every new member under public scrutiny. It not very sensible.
Please note I am addressing your statement, not you as a person. And you are not the only one who has made such a statement. This is just one quote.

It is not the new members who are being put under scrutiny, but their statements.

It is indeed sensible to do so.

Say there was a playground. Lots of children around. One group of kids stayed together at the swings, and these swings were too small for adults. All the kids had skinned knees, and they all were crying because their knees hurt, and because they'd heard on the news that there were adults who wanted to destroy the swing set. There were no other swing sets, this was the only one that allowed kids with skinned knees.

A little person who was an adult dressed in child's clothing, raised the pitch of their voice to sound like a child, put some fake dried blood on their knee, and cried fake tears. They went up to the swings and said, "I want to swing, too! I'm really safe, I have a hurt knee, I'm crying, and I am for sure not a stranger danger, I've heard about them!"

Some of the kids invited that person to join. It's a pretty welcoming group of kids.

But one of the kids noticed there was something off. They spoke up. They said, "Hold on a minute. Your voice sounds funny. I have fake blood at home that looks just like what's on your knee. No offense, but some people can fake crying. And why did you bring up not being a stranger danger when you're a kid? Stranger dangers are adults! And there are other adults who want to destroy our swings. I think we need to know more before we're sure you're safe to play with us."

The fake kid cried harder. They said in their fake voice, "Why are you being so mean to me? There's something wrong with you! You are overly suspicious! You hurt my feelings! It makes my knee hurt even more! I thought these swings were for me, too! I'm so lonely, I don't know anyone else with a hurt knee, or with nice swings, and you won't let me play. You're not very nice. You should be ashamed. I don't know why you are saying these things!"

Some of the kids hopped off the swings and hugged the adult to try to comfort them, and asked them to come play on the swings together and talk about their hurt knee and why they don't have any swings of their own and about the mean adults who want to take away their swing set.

Some of the kids agreed with the kid who spoke up, and said so, while others went somewhere safe.

Some of the kids ran to the playground monitor and said the new kid was maybe not a kid.

Some of the kids ran to the playground monitor and said the kid who spoke up was bullying.

Some of the kids who saw all this said, "We shouldn't put every new kid under scrutiny. It's not very sensible." Some said, "We should be nicer and more welcoming." Some of the kids who originally doubted the fake kid felt very, very bad about themselves. They said they were sorry, and asked how they could help.

The adult pretending to be a kid can do several things now:

The adult can say everyone is a bunch of mean bullies and go home. Then the next time a pretend kid shows up everyone will be ashamed, and doubt themselves, and invite the fake kid to join and cry and play.

The adult can accept the comfort and keep crying about how mean the others are and how bad their knee hurts and how no one lets them play. When enough kids are on their side, they will stay and play, and start telling those kids how to play, and push some of them off the swings.

Then other fake kids scattered around the playground will see that it's safe for them to come join in on the swings and the crying. They'll start pushing off the legit kids and break the swing set so no one can use it anymore.

I notice no playground monitors have stepped in to call anyone a bully or a fake adult.

But I'm concerned when someone tells me I'm not being sensible when I am, or that I'm not being nice when I'm noticing out loud and not attacking. I won't stop being sensible or noticing, but the other kids who heard it might.
 
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Alright alright !!! We get it !!!

:pfff:

( Sorry @Mm80 not laughing at you! prob technical error , just being humorous :hug: I was bit distressed and felt brainwashed lol :haha: )
Lol its ok im terrible at tgese things, in fact op, look at how much fun we have on here! We actually have sense of humours too !
 
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