- May 5, 2019
I want the afterlife to be like the verse called Rainbow Bridge. I want to meet up with my pets that have died and we can live happily ever after.
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Yes, there are (2) in particular that I have confirmed through my channelings as being legit.Has anyone read any books on the afterlife? There are a few I have read that, along with medium readings, seems to describe the place I have in my mind. There's a lot I don't understand or try to as we can never know until we are there, but it gives me hope it'll be better than here.
I just can't wait to hold my daughter as I never got to, I wish I could see what she looks like if she looks like me or her dad. That's probably what I am most excited for.
I've heard this too and would love to take some, I just don't know how to get it.I also respect every view, as it's impossible to really know one way or another without dying.
With that said. It's impressive how many people become more open to the idea of an afterlife, or at least other planes of existence, after taking a big hit of DMT lol.
Ideally I would like afterlife to be a sort of reincarnation where you choose the parameters of your next life yourself. Probably sounds stupid, but it would be fun to pick and choose the type of adventures you would like from life.This concept of “Hell” as a place of ‘eternal suffering in a lake of fire’ that Christians so often try to scare people with is all made up by humans and doesn't even exist in the 'old testament' and is not well supported by the 'new testament' either...
every single 'old testament' reference to "hell" is a mistranslations of the Jewish concept of "Sheol" which is distinctly different from what most people today refer to as "Hell".
* 1: Sheol is temporary - not 'eternal'. you are only there until 'judgment day'.
* 2: everyone goes to Sheol to await judgment day. (good or bad, believer or not).
* 3: everyone in Sheol atones for their misdeeds in life. everyone, regardless of whether they "have faith" or not. You don't escape punishment for your misdeeds in life just because you 'have faith'. THAT was an invention (apparently of Paul).
* 4: after judgment: the 'truly wicked' are annihilated: They 'cease to exist'. They are not "punished for the rest of eternity. (That view is not supported by anything in the bible outside of 'revelation' (and even that is pretty thin)
* 5: after judgment: everyone else goes to "Olam Ha'Bah" (aka "the world to come"; "gan eden" or "the Garden of Eden). - This did NOT require belief in or worship of "YHYH" it was based on whether you were a decent person in life; not "blind faith".
outside of 'revelation" The "New Testament" does not refer to this concept of 'eternal punishment' at all. not once, not anywhere. It is ONLY mentioned in the "Book of Revelation" (aka "The Apocalypse of John") and even those references are pretty flimsy evidence.
every "New Testament" reference to "Hell" in modern translations are mistranslating one of two words. "Tartarus" (which appears only one time in 2 Peter 2:4) and "Gehenna".
* Tartarus is a specific reference to the pagan concept of the 'lowest level of hades' - this reference from 2 Peter is talking about a place where "fallen angels" are sent and is never mentioned as a destination for humans. - Also note that this same specific verse clearly limits the time spent in that place to "until judgment".
* Gehenna is an actual physical place in Jerusalem, it was (in the first century CE) a trash dump, garbage and dead bodies were taken there and burned in a 'eternal fire' (a constantly burning fire that was always burning garbage). it was considered a "cursed place" due to legends about people sacrificing children there. It was mentioned in a lot of parables; often 'jesus' talking about wealthy people ending up in Gehenna (just like all the poor people). essentially saying that all their wealth doesn't save them from eventually dying and being thrown into the trash heap. - The parables did seem to imply that “Gehenna” was some undesirable place but it’s very dishonest to claim that the word literally translates to the common concept called “Hell”.
The words translated into “Eternal Punishment” in Matthew 25:46 (for instance) is also a mistranslation. The word they translate as “eternal” there is “αἰώνῐος” which is more correctly translated as “lasting for an age”. If you note the same exact same word is mistranslated to ‘eternal’ in modern translations of Jude 1:7 where Sodom and Gomorrah are supposedly destroyed by “eternal fire” - Those fires are clearly not burning today as we’ve never found any such remnants anywhere on earth of this supposedly never ending fire. The other part of that phrase for “Punishment” is also a poor translation of “kolasis” which was an agricultural term basically meaning “cut off” or “prune” - possibly suggesting the concept where you “prune away part of a plant and the rest of the plant gets stronger”. Somewhat more likely is that it refers to “punitive correction” as opposed to some eternal torment or possibly it refers to being ‘cut off from paradise/eternal life’ which is effectively what happens when you cease to exist. - you aren’t suffering but you are denied eternal life and entry to paradise ‘for eternity’.
Outside of Revelation the most common thing people tend to bring up to support this 'eternal suffering in a lake of fire' nonsense is the story from Luke 16:19-31 of "lazarus and the rich man". That parable however does not suggest "eternal suffering" at all.
* 1: Abraham, Lazarus and "Rich Man" are all in the same place. - That already sounds a lot more like "Sheol" than "Hell". the claim that all of them talking to each other is clearly not a reference to one being "in heaven" and the other "in hell" since these places are always depicted as separate.
* 2: "Rich Man" is suffering but... he's complaining about "being thirsty".... if he were burning in a lake of fire I think he'd have bigger problems than 'parched lips'.
* 3: Nothing about that story says anything to suggest that the suffering is eternal; it only implies that "Rich Man" is suffering currently, not what his fate would be down the road.
Then we have the claims from "Revelation":
* 1: the ["Second Death"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_death) is mentioned 4 times in this book; and described as the "Death of the soul"
* 2: Revelation 20:6 only people named in the "book of life" (those "on the right") receive "eternal life" - this gift of eternal life is ONLY for the righteous people that pass into paradise.
* 3: Revelation 20:10 states that the 'beast', the 'false prophet' (aka the antichrist) and 'satan' are cast into the lake of fire where they will "suffer for ever and ever" - note that none of these entities are 'human'.
* 4: then in Revelation 20:15 - the people who's name did not appear in the 'book of life' (those "on the left") are also cast into the same lake of fire where they "suffer the second death". - Note the different language... it does not say "suffer for ever and ever" but instead states that they "suffer the second death" - this suggests that their soul dies.. which is "Annihilation" not "eternal suffering". How can there be "eternal suffering" for people that do not have "eternal life"? - (see note 2 above).
Nothing about "eternal suffering" is consistent with anything in the bible. "Eternal suffering" is sadistic cruelty without any purpose or benefit. - It makes no rational sense if they are also trying to claim that 'god' is benevolent, loving, merciful etc. - Totally logically inconsistent with this view.
> **John 2:2**
>He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
>Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.
> for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable.
> Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience,
> so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you.
> For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
> For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.
In the early days of the christian church there were several competing views of the afterlife that are a lot more consistent with the rest of the bible:
* "Annihilation" is the belief that "after judgment" the "truly wicked" are annihilated; they 'cease to exist' and that's it... no further suffering; they are gone. end of story. This is exactly what the Jewish traditional view of Sheol mentioned above taught and is logically consistent with the 'old testament'.
* "universal salvation" or "universalism" is the belief that eventually everyone is saved. - This view treats suffering/punishment in the afterlife as reformative/corrective/judicial - meant to correct the recipient and is finite in duration - once you have atoned for your sins you get to move on to paradise with all the other people that ever lived. These were both pretty popular views in the early christian sects prior to ~425 CE;
The early christian sects disagreed considerably about which of these three views was 'correct'. “Basil the Great” specifically commented in ~370CE that the dominant view (of the time) was a belief in a limited purgatory, and others (such as Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Gregory of Nyssa, Didymus the blind, Diodore of Tarsus and Theodore of Mopsuestia wrote extensively about Universalism. There were some (mostly in Northern Africa around the coast of modern day Tunisia/Algeria) that were advocating the view of “Eternal Torment” but it wasn't until 425CE that the church unified on this 'eternal suffering' doctrine (largely through the writings of Augustine of Hippo – who came to Rome from a city near what is now Annaba Tunisia). This became the official version the church went with and the other views were deemed "heretical" and banned along with any early christian scriptures that supported those opposing views (such as the "Apocalypse of Peter").
fun fact: on December 13; 2013 between 40-70cm (16-19 inches) of [snow fell on Jerusalem as seen in this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RuhXbspXjQ) so there could have been some pretty epic snowball fights in 'hell' that day...
That is what I used to think too, but over the past few years I have spoken to many pastors, priests, and christian scholars who have stated that there is no assertion in the Christian bible that suicide is a sin.. In Christianity, it is taught that suicide is a sin.
Yes, the Christian Bible does not necessarily state that suicide is sinful, but the Catholic and Orthodox Churches are not sola Scriptura. These Churches rely as much on traditions that have purportedly come from the early Church and ultimately from Jesus Himself. (This can be verified by John 21:25: "And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.") I think this reliance on Holy Tradition (not to be confused with merely human traditions) is why Christianity has usually seen suicide as sinful.Just some recommended reading. Just food for thought, and highly recommended to have an open mind.
"Road to Immortality" by Jeraldine Cummins
"Life after death" by Arthur Ford (hard to find that book)
“Raymond of Life and death” by Sir Lodge
That is what I used to think too, but over the past few years I have spoken to many pastors, priests, and christian scholars who have stated that there is no assertion in the Christian bible that suicide is a sin.
Yes that would make sense. But one has to wonder if suicide-is-a-sin was a mechanism installed by those who were in charge of early organized Christianity. It would seem that every religion has some kind rule against suicide.Yes, the Christian Bible does not necessarily state that suicide is sinful, but the Catholic and Orthodox Churches are not sola Scriptura. These Churches rely as much on traditions that have purportedly come from the early Church and ultimately from Jesus Himself. (This can be verified by John 21:25: "And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.") I think this reliance on Holy Tradition (not to be confused with merely human traditions) is why Christianity has usually seen suicide as sinful.
I'm a Christian and I do not take any offense to that. While I was being confirmed, I had many questions about the Bible because of the contradictions, etc. And that a white lie is considered an equally high offense as systematically killing 6 million people I have a hard time comprehending.,Also, I don't mean this is an offense or a jab towards believers, but the Christian God, as He is described in the Bible, really isn't that great of a guy... So why would He gives us an eternal (or not) "wonderful afterlife"? Why couldn't we go directly to this wonderful place?
I quite like the idea that we all chose the type of adventures/roles we have in *this* life. Why the hell I chose as I did I do not know, but I can hope it made sense at the time.Ideally I would like afterlife to be a sort of reincarnation where you choose the parameters of your next life yourself. Probably sounds stupid, but it would be fun to pick and choose the type of adventures you would like from life.
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